On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:54:34PM +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote:> On Tue, 24 Sep, 2019 at 14:48:57 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:27:07 +0100 > > Liam O'Toole wrote: > > > > > If the availability of a particular desktop environment is a > > > showstopper, then perhaps RHEL and CentOS are not the best choice for > > > you. > > > > That may be, but in view of the fact that you can even get a version of CDE that works (very well) on Centos 7 (https://github.com/dcantrell/cderpm if you're interested), I find it difficult to believe that a widely used and mature desktop like Mate will just disappear on a widely used and mature Linux distribution like Centos. > > > > I'm not suggesting that it will. A few years ago, soon after the source > code of CDE was released, I downloaded, compiled, and installed CDE in a > CentOS 6 VM. Why? Because I could. But would I conduct any serious > business in that environment? Of course not. And why is that? Because it > receives no enterprise support. > > > And since I've been using Centos for everything for a lot of years I'm not in a hurry to change to something else if I can avoid it. > > > > > Providing and maintaining > > > alternative desktop environments over the (long) life cycle of CentOS 8 > > > will require a?sustained effort by volunteers over many years. > > > > If that isn't being organized by someone at this time, I would be frankly surprised. > > It could well be that someone is organising it. On the other hand, it > could be not. Either way, it will not be supported by RHEL and CentOS. > What happens when a critical vulnerability is discovered in that > software? Who will notify you of it? Who will fix it? > > At the time of writing, Mate in EPEL 7 is still at version 1.16. The > upstream version is at 1.22. Have any critical vulnerabilities been > fixed in the meantime? I have no idea. Do you?Nope. OTOH, if I was forced to use Gnome, I may well go shoot myself. -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex at fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." ---------------------------- Hebrews 4:12 (niv) ------------------------------
On 9/24/19 9:12 PM, Fred Smith wrote:> > OTOH, if I was forced to use Gnome, I may well go shoot myself. >I was thinking I might as well go back to Windows, but that's pretty much the same thing. Right now I'm rather dismayed by RHEL/CentOS 8. I was hoping to skip CentOS 7 and go straight from 6 to 8. But right now there's just too much missing in version 8. I can't tolerate the Gnome 3 desktop, and the lack of VM snapshot capability is a total deal-breaker for me. It's looking like CentOS 6 will go EOL before version 8 is usable for me. I might end up switching to Mint. -- Bob Nichols "NOSPAM" is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it.
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 10:04:01PM -0500, Robert Nichols wrote:> I might end up switching to Mint.I'm not sure that's a huge threat to CentOS, they're quite different. CentOS 7 really only supported GNOME3, largely because Red Hat is so involved in GNOME development. MATE support on CentOS 7 suffered because newer versions were hard to get to work on such an older base. CentOS 8's modularity actually might make multiple DE's easier to support in EPEL, given time. -- Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>
On 25/09/2019 03:12, Fred Smith wrote:> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:54:34PM +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Sep, 2019 at 14:48:57 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: >>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:27:07 +0100 >>> Liam O'Toole wrote: >>> >>>> If the availability of a particular desktop environment is a >>>> showstopper, then perhaps RHEL and CentOS are not the best choice for >>>> you. >>> >>> That may be, but in view of the fact that you can even get a version of CDE that works (very well) on Centos 7 (https://github.com/dcantrell/cderpm if you're interested), I find it difficult to believe that a widely used and mature desktop like Mate will just disappear on a widely used and mature Linux distribution like Centos. >>> >> >> I'm not suggesting that it will. A few years ago, soon after the source >> code of CDE was released, I downloaded, compiled, and installed CDE in a >> CentOS 6 VM. Why? Because I could. But would I conduct any serious >> business in that environment? Of course not. And why is that? Because it >> receives no enterprise support. >> >>> And since I've been using Centos for everything for a lot of years I'm not in a hurry to change to something else if I can avoid it. >>> >>>> Providing and maintaining >>>> alternative desktop environments over the (long) life cycle of CentOS 8 >>>> will require a?sustained effort by volunteers over many years. >>> >>> If that isn't being organized by someone at this time, I would be frankly surprised. >> >> It could well be that someone is organising it. On the other hand, it >> could be not. Either way, it will not be supported by RHEL and CentOS. >> What happens when a critical vulnerability is discovered in that >> software? Who will notify you of it? Who will fix it? >> >> At the time of writing, Mate in EPEL 7 is still at version 1.16. The >> upstream version is at 1.22. Have any critical vulnerabilities been >> fixed in the meantime? I have no idea. Do you? > > Nope. > > OTOH, if I was forced to use Gnome, I may well go shoot myself.Like they say, Linux is all about choice. :-)
On 2019-09-25 10:12, Liam O'Toole wrote:> On 25/09/2019 03:12, Fred Smith wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:54:34PM +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote: >>> On Tue, 24 Sep, 2019 at 14:48:57 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: >>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:27:07 +0100 >>>> Liam O'Toole wrote: >>>> >>>>> If the availability of a particular desktop environment is a >>>>> showstopper, then perhaps RHEL and CentOS are not the best choice for >>>>> you. >>>> >>>> That may be, but in view of the fact that you can even get a version >>>> of CDE that works (very well) on Centos 7 >>>> (https://github.com/dcantrell/cderpm if you're interested), I find >>>> it difficult to believe that a widely used and mature desktop like >>>> Mate will just disappear on a widely used and mature Linux >>>> distribution like Centos. >>>> >>> >>> I'm not suggesting that it will. A few years ago, soon after the source >>> code of CDE was released, I downloaded, compiled, and installed CDE in a >>> CentOS 6 VM. Why? Because I could. But would I conduct any serious >>> business in that environment? Of course not. And why is that? Because it >>> receives no enterprise support. >>> >>>> And since I've been using Centos for everything for a lot of years >>>> I'm not in a hurry to change to something else if I can avoid it. >>>> >>>>> ? Providing and maintaining >>>>> alternative desktop environments over the (long) life cycle of >>>>> CentOS 8 >>>>> will require a?sustained effort by volunteers over many years. >>>> >>>> If that isn't being organized by someone at this time, I would be >>>> frankly surprised. >>> >>> It could well be that someone is organising it. On the other hand, it >>> could be not. Either way, it will not be supported by RHEL and CentOS. >>> What happens when a critical vulnerability is discovered in that >>> software? Who will notify you of it? Who will fix it? >>> >>> At the time of writing, Mate in EPEL 7 is still at version 1.16. The >>> upstream version is at 1.22. Have any critical vulnerabilities been >>> fixed in the meantime? I have no idea. Do you? >> >> Nope. >> >> OTOH, if I was forced to use Gnome, I may well go shoot myself. > > Like they say, Linux is all about choice. :-)And even better: there are UNIX (BSD rather) descendants too, so there is even more choice ;-) Valeri> _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Once upon a time, Robert Nichols <rnicholsNOSPAM at comcast.net> said:> the lack of VM snapshot capability is a total deal-breaker for me.The capability is still there and works just the same as before. The only change is that the new preferred tool for graphical VM management, Cockpit, doesn't yet support making snapshots. virt-manager is still there for now (presumably until Cockpit grows all the necessary support), and the underlying virsh support hasn't changed. -- Chris Adams <linux at cmadams.net>