CentOS - Dec 2015 - wifi on servers and fedora [was Re: 7.2 kernel panic on boot]

Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 08:54:56AM -0500, James B. Byrne wrote:
<snip>
> Working with your employer to fix the "will not allow Fedora into the
> premises" part seems like a good start.
<snip>
Why? Fedora is a development, rapid change distro. I just bugged one of my
users yesterday that I'm *GOING* to update and reboot his system, since it
hasn't been rebooted in about a year and a third. And we've got cluster
members that they won't *let* us update, because it might break the
software that's running on them. Around 6.3, I think, one user found an
issue with the results from an updated system, and reran a completed job,
and the update did *not* give the correct results. We had to downgrade - I
forget what packages.

And some of these users have jobs that on bare metal (forget VMs, we can't
spare the cycles) run one to two *weeks*... and that's on clusters with
512 or over 1100 cores, or the boxes with *two* Tesla cards. Yes, we are
talking very serious scientific computing.

Absolute stability is what matters. For production machines, I worked out
a once a month maintenance window, to update and reboot.

In an environment like this, why would we want to do fedora, with its
how-many-updates in the last two days? This is why we're on CentOS, which
is *stable*.

         mark

On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 11:54:57AM -0500, m.roth at 5-cent.us
wrote:
> Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Working with your employer to fix the "will not allow Fedora into
the
> > premises" part seems like a good start.
> <snip>
> Why? Fedora is a development, rapid change distro. I just bugged one of my
Because of the context of this conversation. We can't have user
feedback and involvement without user feedback and involvement.




-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm at fedoraproject.org>
Fedora Project Leader

Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 11:54:57AM -0500, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote:
>> Matthew Miller wrote:
>> > Working with your employer to fix the "will not allow Fedora
into the
>> > premises" part seems like a good start.
>> <snip>
>> Why? Fedora is a development, rapid change distro. I just bugged one of
>> my
>
> Because of the context of this conversation. We can't have user
> feedback and involvement without user feedback and involvement.
So, you're saying that end users need to go poke their noses into the
development process, but that developers don't need to poke their noses
out to the end users... or at least, that's how I read what you're
saying.

        mark