On Sun, January 11, 2015 5:16 pm, Keith Keller wrote:> On 2015-01-11, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: >> >> Indeed. Or another system altogether (sihg). I'm just extending your >> thought half a step farther ;-) > > Or going even farther, if you like CentOS but not systemd, do the work > to get CentOS working without it. Unhappy Debian users are trying to do > this with Devuan. It seems extremely unlikely that complaining about > downstream is going to change anything. >I know... But: systemd is in a mainstream kernel. All Linux distros imminently have Linux kernel... There are different levels to which I care about two different groups of boxes I maintain. One of them stays with Linux and is upgraded to the latest whenever appropriate no matter whether there is systemd or anything else I might not like. Another group... I'm talking about their issues on different mail lists for quite some time already. So, I'm happy. And wish the same to everybody else ;-) Valeri PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat if I look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...) admins were fighting with the consequences of this: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 . If I had Debian machine I would not only regenerate all key pairs, certs, etc. I would question sanity of that box then, and will not be certain what confidential stuff could have been stolen from it... I realized then that that level big flop never happened to RedHat. I couldn't even point to something that would constitute big flop RedHat of then. One only criticizes something while one cares about it ;-) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote:> > PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat if I > look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way > back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...) admins > were fighting with the consequences of this: > http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 . If I had Debian machine I > would not only regenerate all key pairs, certs, etc. I would question > sanity of that box then, and will not be certain what confidential stuff > could have been stolen from it... I realized then that that level big flop > never happened to RedHat. I couldn't even point to something that would > constitute big flop RedHat of then. One only criticizes something while > one cares about it ;-)Heartbleed was pretty scary, no? I'd consider that at least as bad as the predictable number generator issue. --keith -- kkeller at wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote:> On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev <galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote: >> >> PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat if >> I >> look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way >> back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...) admins >> were fighting with the consequences of this: >> http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 . If I had Debian machine I >> would not only regenerate all key pairs, certs, etc. I would question >> sanity of that box then, and will not be certain what confidential stuff >> could have been stolen from it... I realized then that that level big >> flop >> never happened to RedHat. I couldn't even point to something that would >> constitute big flop RedHat of then. One only criticizes something while >> one cares about it ;-) > > Heartbleed was pretty scary, no? I'd consider that at least as bad as > the predictable number generator issue. >Well, heratbleed and shellshock were pretty much global: all systems (not only Linuxes, not to say particular Linux distributions - my FreeBSD boxes were affected too) using openssl or bash were affected... Same bad, yet these were not flops of particular distribution, so whichever system you decided to stick with , you had these. Not certain about you, but this kind of makes difference for me. When I say I'm happy about [me choosing way back] RedHat heartbleed, no heartbleed, no difference. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++