Kaylor, Andrew via llvm-dev
2019-Apr-16 19:23 UTC
[llvm-dev] [FP] Constant folding math library functions
Hi everyone,
I noticed today that LLVM's constant folding of math library functions can
lead to minor differences in results. A colleague sent me the following test
case which demonstrates the issue:
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
typedef union {
double d;
unsigned long long i;
} my_dbl;
int main(void) {
my_dbl res, x;
x.i = 0x3feeb39556255de2ull;
res.d = tanh(x.d);
printf("tanh(%f) = %f = %016LX\n", x.d, res.d, res.i);
return 0;
}
Compiling with "clang -O2 -g0 -emit-llvm" I get this:
define dso_local i32 @main() local_unnamed_addr #0 {
%1 = tail call double @tanh(double 0x3FEEB39556255DE2) #2
%2 = tail call i32 (i8*, ...) @printf(i8* getelementptr inbounds ([24 x i8],
[24 x i8]* @.str, i64 0, i64 0),
double
0x3FEEB39556255DE2, double 0x3FE7CF009CE7F169,
i64
4604876745549017449)
ret i32 0
}
We're still calling 'tanh' but all the values passed to printf are
constant folded. The constant folding is based on a call to tanh made by the
compiler. The problem with this is that if I am linking my program against a
different version of the math library than was used by the compiler I may get a
different result.
I can prevent this constant folding with either the 'nobuiltin' or
'strictfp' attribute. However, it seems to me like this optimization
should really be checking the 'afn' fast math flag.
Opinions?
Thanks,
Andy
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Finkel, Hal J. via llvm-dev
2019-Apr-16 20:01 UTC
[llvm-dev] [FP] Constant folding math library functions
Hi, Andy,
This is somewhat tricky. 'afn' is for approximate functions, to
"allow substitution of approximate calculations for functions", but in
this case, the answers aren't any more approximate than the original
function calls. Different, but likely no less accurate. This has long caused
these kinds of subtle differences when cross compiling, etc. but it's not
clear what the best thing to do actually is. Users often want the constant
folding, and I've certainly seen code where the performance depends
critically on it, and yet, the compiler will likely never be able to exactly
replicate the behavior of whatever libm implementation is used at runtime. Maybe
having a dedicated flag to disable just this behavior, aside from suggesting
that users use -fno-builtin=..., would be useful for users who depend on the
compiler not folding these kinds of expressions in ways that might differ from
their runtime libm behavior?
-Hal
Hal Finkel
Lead, Compiler Technology and Programming Languages
Leadership Computing Facility
Argonne National Laboratory
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From: llvm-dev <llvm-dev-bounces at lists.llvm.org> on behalf of Kaylor,
Andrew via llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 2:23 PM
To: llvm-dev
Subject: [llvm-dev] [FP] Constant folding math library functions
Hi everyone,
I noticed today that LLVM’s constant folding of math library functions can lead
to minor differences in results. A colleague sent me the following test case
which demonstrates the issue:
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
typedef union {
double d;
unsigned long long i;
} my_dbl;
int main(void) {
my_dbl res, x;
x.i = 0x3feeb39556255de2ull;
res.d = tanh(x.d);
printf("tanh(%f) = %f = %016LX\n", x.d, res.d, res.i);
return 0;
}
Compiling with “clang -O2 -g0 -emit-llvm” I get this:
define dso_local i32 @main() local_unnamed_addr #0 {
%1 = tail call double @tanh(double 0x3FEEB39556255DE2) #2
%2 = tail call i32 (i8*, ...) @printf(i8* getelementptr inbounds ([24 x i8],
[24 x i8]* @.str, i64 0, i64 0),
double
0x3FEEB39556255DE2, double 0x3FE7CF009CE7F169,
i64
4604876745549017449)
ret i32 0
}
We’re still calling ‘tanh’ but all the values passed to printf are constant
folded. The constant folding is based on a call to tanh made by the compiler.
The problem with this is that if I am linking my program against a different
version of the math library than was used by the compiler I may get a different
result.
I can prevent this constant folding with either the ‘nobuiltin’ or ‘strictfp’
attribute. However, it seems to me like this optimization should really be
checking the ‘afn’ fast math flag.
Opinions?
Thanks,
Andy
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Kaylor, Andrew via llvm-dev
2019-Apr-16 20:47 UTC
[llvm-dev] [FP] Constant folding math library functions
Thanks, Hal.
I hear what you are saying about the accuracy. The problem, from my perspective,
is trying to explain to users what they are going to get. The constant folding
may be as accurate as the lib call would have been, but it isn't necessarily
value safe. I've been operating on the assumption that LLVM's FP
optimizations are value safe unless fast math flags are used. For the most part
that appears to be true. This case breaks my assumption.
I realize that any call to a library function puts claims of value safety on
shaky ground, but the standard I'm going for is that you'll get the same
bitwise results compiling at -O0 as you will at -O2 (for instance).
That said, I agree that the difference between constant folding a library call
and substituting an approximate calculation is significant. Most users would
probably prefer to have this optimization enabled by default. It just leads to a
kind of murky answer to the question of whether or not we're value safe by
default for the users who do care about that.
I guess what I'm saying is that I do like the idea of a separate flag for
this, though as I recall we're running out of bits for fast math flags.
I'm also not sure whether it should be on by default. If we want to permit
this transformation by default, then it shouldn't be a fast math flag.
Probably an attribute on the call site is better? And in that case it feels like
we'd be circling back toward "nobuiltin" but can the front end
identify which call sites would need that?
-Andy
From: Finkel, Hal J. <hfinkel at anl.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 1:01 PM
To: llvm-dev <llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>; Kaylor, Andrew
<andrew.kaylor at intel.com>
Subject: Re: [FP] Constant folding math library functions
Hi, Andy,
This is somewhat tricky. 'afn' is for approximate functions, to
"allow substitution of approximate calculations for functions", but in
this case, the answers aren't any more approximate than the original
function calls. Different, but likely no less accurate. This has long caused
these kinds of subtle differences when cross compiling, etc. but it's not
clear what the best thing to do actually is. Users often want the constant
folding, and I've certainly seen code where the performance depends
critically on it, and yet, the compiler will likely never be able to exactly
replicate the behavior of whatever libm implementation is used at runtime. Maybe
having a dedicated flag to disable just this behavior, aside from suggesting
that users use -fno-builtin=..., would be useful for users who depend on the
compiler not folding these kinds of expressions in ways that might differ from
their runtime libm behavior?
-Hal
Hal Finkel
Lead, Compiler Technology and Programming Languages
Leadership Computing Facility
Argonne National Laboratory
________________________________
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at lists.llvm.org>> on behalf of Kaylor, Andrew via llvm-dev <llvm-dev
at lists.llvm.org<mailto:llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 2:23 PM
To: llvm-dev
Subject: [llvm-dev] [FP] Constant folding math library functions
Hi everyone,
I noticed today that LLVM's constant folding of math library functions can
lead to minor differences in results. A colleague sent me the following test
case which demonstrates the issue:
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
typedef union {
double d;
unsigned long long i;
} my_dbl;
int main(void) {
my_dbl res, x;
x.i = 0x3feeb39556255de2ull;
res.d = tanh(x.d);
printf("tanh(%f) = %f = %016LX\n", x.d, res.d, res.i);
return 0;
}
Compiling with "clang -O2 -g0 -emit-llvm" I get this:
define dso_local i32 @main() local_unnamed_addr #0 {
%1 = tail call double @tanh(double 0x3FEEB39556255DE2) #2
%2 = tail call i32 (i8*, ...) @printf(i8* getelementptr inbounds ([24 x i8],
[24 x i8]* @.str, i64 0, i64 0),
double
0x3FEEB39556255DE2, double 0x3FE7CF009CE7F169,
i64
4604876745549017449)
ret i32 0
}
We're still calling 'tanh' but all the values passed to printf are
constant folded. The constant folding is based on a call to tanh made by the
compiler. The problem with this is that if I am linking my program against a
different version of the math library than was used by the compiler I may get a
different result.
I can prevent this constant folding with either the 'nobuiltin' or
'strictfp' attribute. However, it seems to me like this optimization
should really be checking the 'afn' fast math flag.
Opinions?
Thanks,
Andy
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