Nouveau - Mar 2014 - TV-Out on a GeForce 2MX supported?

Hello,

I have here a GeForce 2MX (NV10) with a Brooktree BT869 chip for the
TV-Out.

Is the TV-Out on this card supported by Nouveau? I read on the feature
matrix something that the TV-Out is only supported for some Chrontel
chips, furthermore

xrandr -q

shows me only the DVI connection (in fact it's VGA, not DVI), but not
the S-Video connection. If not supported, is this planned for future
versions?

I'm using the Nouveau X-server 1.0.1 and kernel 3.2.0 on Debian
Wheezy.


Thanks in advance for your help,
Nils

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Nils Krafft <fehmarn-rund at ffti.de>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have here a GeForce 2MX (NV10) with a Brooktree BT869 chip for the
> TV-Out.
http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/

See note #4 -- nv0x-nv2x (nv17-nv19 excluded) need an external,
third-party manufactured TV encoder. Only some Chrontel branded chips
are currently supported.
> shows me only the DVI connection (in fact it's VGA, not DVI), but not
> the S-Video connection. If not supported, is this planned for future
> versions?
The relevant hardware is not easily available, nor is hardware to
consume s-video/composite connections. This sort of thing is probably
only going to be supported if you make it happen. If you're
interested, the relevant source file is
drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/dispnv04/tvnv04.c, and you'd have to add
something in drivers/gpu/drm/i2c. BT* chips are usually easy to find
docs for, and some of the additional details can probably be worked
out from mmiotraces, assuming you can find a kernel that the blob
driver will load on.

  -ilia

On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 12:40:34AM -0500, Ilia Mirkin
wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Nils Krafft <fehmarn-rund at ffti.de>
wrote:
> > I have here a GeForce 2MX (NV10) with a Brooktree BT869 chip for the
> > TV-Out.
You can try nvtv (http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out/). It bypasses
X and modesetting and programs the Brooktree and CRTC directly. I've
no idea if it still work with modern X and/or nouveau. :-)
> > shows me only the DVI connection (in fact it's VGA, not DVI), but
not
> > the S-Video connection. If not supported, is this planned for future
> > versions?
> The relevant hardware is not easily available, nor is hardware to
> consume s-video/composite connections. 
I still have some hardware for both, though I haven't used it for a long
time.
> This sort of thing is probably
> only going to be supported if you make it happen. If you're
> interested, the relevant source file is
> drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/dispnv04/tvnv04.c, and you'd have to add
> something in drivers/gpu/drm/i2c. BT* chips are usually easy to find
> docs for, and some of the additional details can probably be worked
> out from mmiotraces, assuming you can find a kernel that the blob
> driver will load on.
It's much better to work from the datasheet instead of doing mmiotraces,
the blob only has a few modes built-in.

The BT is actually a very flexible chip, and supports a very wide range
of modes with different overscan amount, plus different filtering options.

It probably wouldn't be hard to just take a few modes from nvtv and
put them into nouveau, similar to the (very few) Chrontel modes. What's 
missing is some sort of infrastructure in X to say "look, on this hardware
there are these two functional blocks (CRTC + BT), I would like to program
with the following values, and I've specified the values in the config
file, or I'm a user space program and provide these values over some X
extension".

This is even more effort now that modesetting is in the kernel (back
when nvtv was written, it wasn't).

Without this, you are pretty much stuck with precalculated modes.
Which isn't optimal, because with small overscan the timing gets a bit
fickle, and with larger overscan you get the ugly border, and every
analog TV is different in that respect.

- Dirk