This is probably a long shot ... but we have this ticket here for PuppetDB: https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/PDB-675 It describes a scenario where when the PID file is missing, the service script is unable to stop the running process. Now our solution is simple, we have a fallback to kill any java process owned by puppetdb if the PID file is missing, so easily worked around really ... however ... The issue I wanted to talk about though, is why this is happening. I'm looking for people who perhaps felt this kind of 'restart' pain during upgrade. I had heaps of people mentioning this to me on the IRC #puppet channel a few weeks ago, but it seems to have dried up. I was foolish not to confirm the issue there and then, as I thought it was easily replicable but its proven more elusive. Has someone ran into the missing PID issue? Can you help me try to track down the issue? The only information I have is that it was during an upgrade, and only on Debian based boxes. Thanks. ken. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to puppet-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/puppet-users/CAE4bNTk6eFgUpGotu8DNCErOrjJ%2B2870R7kF0iW41ryOufR8mQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.