asterisk users - Dec 2004 - [Asterisk-Dev] RE: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training andcertification :: AstriconTraining

I feel this is a slap in the face for those of us that have been here and I
don't feel I should HAVE to pay to be certified...  I think me and MANY
others are about to walk out of the project over this.  I have already
spoken with many people that are close to the project.  You're hurting US
and our ability to make money.  I still know the code better than most of
the people that will be paying to be certified.  You're pushing it here. 

I REFUSE TO PAY!!!  I know you guys mean well but you didn't take any of us
into account that know this software and know it well.

bkw
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
> bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Olle E. Johansson
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:32 PM
> To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
> Subject: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification ::
> AstriconTraining
> 
> *** AsteriskT Open Source Linux PBX Training and Certification
> 
> Huntsville, AL and Kansas City, MO, December 20, 2004: Digium, Inc.,
> Edvina AB and Sokol & Associates today released a new program for
> training and certification of Asterisk professionals. Asterisk is the
> leading Open Source PBX for Linux, with support for both PSTN
> connectivity and many VoIP protocols.
> 
> The first class in the Astricon Training product line is the five-day
> bootcamp "Introduction to Asterisk". This class will be held in
the US
> and Europe six times during 2005. The organizers and teachers is the
> same team that set up the Astricon 2004 conference and expo in September
> this year, an event that gathered over 450 Asterisk users and developers
> in Atlanta, GA.
> 
> The new Asterisk certification is named dCAP, Digium Certified Asterisk
> Professional. To get the certification, one has to go through a 150
> question exam as well as a practical exam, where the student builds and
> configures a PBX. The certification will be given by the Astricon team
> under license from Digium.
> 
> "This is an important step towards greater acceptance of Asterisk in
the
> enterprise", says Olle E. Johansson of Edvina in Sweden. "With a
> professional training and certification, you can ensure that your staff
> or your consultants has the required skills to setup and manage a
> mission-critical PBX platform based on Asterisk."
> 
> "The Asterisk Open Source project is building a professional business
> ecosystem", says Mark Spencer, the founder of Digium and creator of
> Asterisk. "Many companies are now selling Asterisk-based solutions.
With
> the 1.0 stable release in September, the Digium hardware that ranges
> from the IAXy end-user device to carrier-class quad-T1 cards and the
> Digium commercial support we have a professional platform for partnering
> with major enterprises. The Astricon training and dCAP certification
> enables us to build a network of consultants that we know will and are
> able to assist us working on the continued success of Asterisk."
> 
> The first training class will be held in Kansas City, MO, January 17-21
> 2005. The cost for a five-day bootcamp with certification is $3,275 USD.
> Details can be found on http://www.astricon.net
> 
> AsteriskT is the leading open source PBX, used all over the world. Since
> it is Linux-based, it inherits all of the power and stability of the
> operating system. Linux provides open source alternatives to proprietary
> applications. Asterisk is the first package to fit all telecommunication
> needs in a broad variety of environments.
> 
> DigiumT is the creator and primary developer of Asterisk, the
industry's
> first open source PBX. Used in combination with Digium's PCI telephony
> interface cards, Asterisk offers a strategic, highly cost-effective
> approach to voice and data transport over TDM, switched, IP, and
> Ethernet architectures.
> Digium provides a highly refined selection of quality hardware and
> software products, developed and implemented using innovative
> engineering techniques (primarily open source development). A full range
> of professional services complement these product lines, including
> consulting, technical support, and custom software development services.
> The open source communications revolution is here, and Digium is leading
> the way.
> 
> Contacts:
> .	Olle E. Johansson, Edvina AB, Phone +46 8 594 788 10,
> 	http://www.astricon.net
> .	Steven M. Sokol, Sokol & Associates,
> 	Phone: +1.816.822.1807, IaxTel: 700.613.9004
> .	Digium, press contact Rick Segrest,
> 	Phone: +1 (256) 428-6000
> 	http://www.digium.com
> 
> 
> 
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Brian West wrote:
> I feel this is a slap in the face for those of us that have been here and I
> don't feel I should HAVE to pay to be certified...  I think me and MANY
> others are about to walk out of the project over this.  I have already
> spoken with many people that are close to the project.  You're hurting
US
> and our ability to make money.  I still know the code better than most of
> the people that will be paying to be certified.  You're pushing it
here.

Well from a newbies point of view I hope you don't pull out cause I 
still need help and you guys that have been around and know it backwards 
are a great help with setup and problems.

> 
> I REFUSE TO PAY!!!  I know you guys mean well but you didn't take any
of us
> into account that know this software and know it well.
> 

I would have thought that it would be a great idea if in the process of 
setting this idea up they would need worldwide transer and people on the 
dev and long timer helpers on users list would have been prime place to 
find those people.

Might have been an idea to come up with a Testing course first for those 
who think they are good enough and if they are they can pass and become 
the support/trainers for * in the future.

Just my thoughts.

And as I said above Please don't leave you guys are way to mucch support 
for us newbies!

David
> bkw
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
>>bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Olle E. Johansson
>>Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:32 PM
>>To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
>>Subject: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification ::
>>AstriconTraining
>>
>>*** AsteriskT Open Source Linux PBX Training and Certification
>>
>>Huntsville, AL and Kansas City, MO, December 20, 2004: Digium, Inc.,
>>Edvina AB and Sokol & Associates today released a new program for
>>training and certification of Asterisk professionals. Asterisk is the
>>leading Open Source PBX for Linux, with support for both PSTN
>>connectivity and many VoIP protocols.
>>
>>The first class in the Astricon Training product line is the five-day
>>bootcamp "Introduction to Asterisk". This class will be held
in the US
>>and Europe six times during 2005. The organizers and teachers is the
>>same team that set up the Astricon 2004 conference and expo in September
>>this year, an event that gathered over 450 Asterisk users and developers
>>in Atlanta, GA.
>>
>>The new Asterisk certification is named dCAP, Digium Certified Asterisk
>>Professional. To get the certification, one has to go through a 150
>>question exam as well as a practical exam, where the student builds and
>>configures a PBX. The certification will be given by the Astricon team
>>under license from Digium.
>>
>>"This is an important step towards greater acceptance of Asterisk
in the
>>enterprise", says Olle E. Johansson of Edvina in Sweden. "With
a
>>professional training and certification, you can ensure that your staff
>>or your consultants has the required skills to setup and manage a
>>mission-critical PBX platform based on Asterisk."
>>
>>"The Asterisk Open Source project is building a professional
business
>>ecosystem", says Mark Spencer, the founder of Digium and creator of
>>Asterisk. "Many companies are now selling Asterisk-based solutions.
With
>>the 1.0 stable release in September, the Digium hardware that ranges
>>from the IAXy end-user device to carrier-class quad-T1 cards and the
>>Digium commercial support we have a professional platform for partnering
>>with major enterprises. The Astricon training and dCAP certification
>>enables us to build a network of consultants that we know will and are
>>able to assist us working on the continued success of Asterisk."
>>
>>The first training class will be held in Kansas City, MO, January 17-21
>>2005. The cost for a five-day bootcamp with certification is $3,275 USD.
>>Details can be found on http://www.astricon.net
>>
>>AsteriskT is the leading open source PBX, used all over the world. Since
>>it is Linux-based, it inherits all of the power and stability of the
>>operating system. Linux provides open source alternatives to proprietary
>>applications. Asterisk is the first package to fit all telecommunication
>>needs in a broad variety of environments.
>>
>>DigiumT is the creator and primary developer of Asterisk, the
industry's
>>first open source PBX. Used in combination with Digium's PCI
telephony
>>interface cards, Asterisk offers a strategic, highly cost-effective
>>approach to voice and data transport over TDM, switched, IP, and
>>Ethernet architectures.
>>Digium provides a highly refined selection of quality hardware and
>>software products, developed and implemented using innovative
>>engineering techniques (primarily open source development). A full range
>>of professional services complement these product lines, including
>>consulting, technical support, and custom software development services.
>>The open source communications revolution is here, and Digium is leading
>>the way.
>>
>>Contacts:
>>.	Olle E. Johansson, Edvina AB, Phone +46 8 594 788 10,
>>	http://www.astricon.net
>>.	Steven M. Sokol, Sokol & Associates,
>>	Phone: +1.816.822.1807, IaxTel: 700.613.9004
>>.	Digium, press contact Rick Segrest,
>>	Phone: +1 (256) 428-6000
>>	http://www.digium.com
>>
>>
>>
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>>Asterisk-Biz@lists.digium.com
>>http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
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I'm in agree with Brian for the following reasons:
- By principle I'm against the certification: it is not a proof of 
knowledge.
- Certification is discriminatory: only the people from the "first 
world" should be certificated, USD $ 3.275,00 is one year salary for 
many  engineers in developing countries. If you add travel, hotel, etc. 
it can reach 2 year salary.

Why they do not post the 150 question exam in the web and provide 
certification for peoples who answer correctly? Free of course.

Jorge Mendoza

Brian West wrote:
> I feel this is a slap in the face for those of us that have been here and I
> don't feel I should HAVE to pay to be certified...  I think me and MANY
> others are about to walk out of the project over this.  I have already
> spoken with many people that are close to the project.  You're hurting
US
> and our ability to make money.  I still know the code better than most of
> the people that will be paying to be certified.  You're pushing it
here.
> 
> I REFUSE TO PAY!!!  I know you guys mean well but you didn't take any
of us
> into account that know this software and know it well.
> 
> bkw
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
>>bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Olle E. Johansson
>>Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 1:32 PM
>>To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
>>Subject: [Asterisk-biz] Asterisk training and certification ::
>>AstriconTraining
>>
>>*** AsteriskT Open Source Linux PBX Training and Certification
>>
>>Huntsville, AL and Kansas City, MO, December 20, 2004: Digium, Inc.,
>>Edvina AB and Sokol & Associates today released a new program for
>>training and certification of Asterisk professionals. Asterisk is the
>>leading Open Source PBX for Linux, with support for both PSTN
>>connectivity and many VoIP protocols.
>>
>>The first class in the Astricon Training product line is the five-day
>>bootcamp "Introduction to Asterisk". This class will be held
in the US
>>and Europe six times during 2005. The organizers and teachers is the
>>same team that set up the Astricon 2004 conference and expo in September
>>this year, an event that gathered over 450 Asterisk users and developers
>>in Atlanta, GA.
>>
>>The new Asterisk certification is named dCAP, Digium Certified Asterisk
>>Professional. To get the certification, one has to go through a 150
>>question exam as well as a practical exam, where the student builds and
>>configures a PBX. The certification will be given by the Astricon team
>>under license from Digium.
>>
>>"This is an important step towards greater acceptance of Asterisk
in the
>>enterprise", says Olle E. Johansson of Edvina in Sweden. "With
a
>>professional training and certification, you can ensure that your staff
>>or your consultants has the required skills to setup and manage a
>>mission-critical PBX platform based on Asterisk."
>>
>>"The Asterisk Open Source project is building a professional
business
>>ecosystem", says Mark Spencer, the founder of Digium and creator of
>>Asterisk. "Many companies are now selling Asterisk-based solutions.
With
>>the 1.0 stable release in September, the Digium hardware that ranges
>>from the IAXy end-user device to carrier-class quad-T1 cards and the
>>Digium commercial support we have a professional platform for partnering
>>with major enterprises. The Astricon training and dCAP certification
>>enables us to build a network of consultants that we know will and are
>>able to assist us working on the continued success of Asterisk."
>>
>>The first training class will be held in Kansas City, MO, January 17-21
>>2005. The cost for a five-day bootcamp with certification is $3,275 USD.
>>Details can be found on http://www.astricon.net
>>
>>AsteriskT is the leading open source PBX, used all over the world. Since
>>it is Linux-based, it inherits all of the power and stability of the
>>operating system. Linux provides open source alternatives to proprietary
>>applications. Asterisk is the first package to fit all telecommunication
>>needs in a broad variety of environments.
>>
>>DigiumT is the creator and primary developer of Asterisk, the
industry's
>>first open source PBX. Used in combination with Digium's PCI
telephony
>>interface cards, Asterisk offers a strategic, highly cost-effective
>>approach to voice and data transport over TDM, switched, IP, and
>>Ethernet architectures.
>>Digium provides a highly refined selection of quality hardware and
>>software products, developed and implemented using innovative
>>engineering techniques (primarily open source development). A full range
>>of professional services complement these product lines, including
>>consulting, technical support, and custom software development services.
>>The open source communications revolution is here, and Digium is leading
>>the way.
>>
>>Contacts:
>>.	Olle E. Johansson, Edvina AB, Phone +46 8 594 788 10,
>>	http://www.astricon.net
>>.	Steven M. Sokol, Sokol & Associates,
>>	Phone: +1.816.822.1807, IaxTel: 700.613.9004
>>.	Digium, press contact Rick Segrest,
>>	Phone: +1 (256) 428-6000
>>	http://www.digium.com
>>
>>
>>
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Get out your wallets boys if you want to get sucked in by
this line

Microsoft did it and sucked in a bunch. that certification
and a 3.50 will get you a coffee at starbucks.  IT jobs
are in the dumper anyway, so again why?

do you honestly think you are going to be asked for your
asterisk certification when you go for a job????  Maybe
if you want to work at digium.

I think they (digium) should spend more time on making cards that
work, read truth in advertising, not stretch the truth in
advertising, and support the things they advertise, let's see
I think not supporting hdlc after they say the card supports is
comes to mind.

this one's free