Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story Runner. Read more: http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english Cheers, David
AWESOME. :) On 10/21/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:> Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > > Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >
On 10/21/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:> Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > > Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >Awesome news, I''m so excited!!! Thanks for all the hard work David. Pat
On 10/22/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:> > Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > > Cheers, > DavidThis looks sweet :) Thanx for everything you do on rspec David. It''s a fantastic tool, and it just keeps getting better. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/rspec-users/attachments/20071022/f1c22aef/attachment.html
"Keep in mind that this is brand new and very experimental. I do not recommend that you start converting all your projects to using this." hehehe.....yeah, okay :)
David Chelimsky wrote:> Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > > Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >Wow, you have been busy! Thanks for all the hard work. I can''t wait to start playing with this... -Ben
On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:33 am, David Chelimsky wrote:> Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in- > plain-english > > Cheers, > DavidWow - that just blew my mind! -- blog @ http://aviewfromafar.net/ linked-in @ http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleymoran currently @ home
On 10/22/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:> Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english >WOW!!> Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >
Is there any adjective not covered so far ;). Great work, guys. P?draic Brady http://blog.astrumfutura.com http://www.patternsforphp.com OpenID Europe Foundation ----- Original Message ---- From: aslak hellesoy <aslak.hellesoy at gmail.com> To: rspec-users <rspec-users at rubyforge.org> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:08:52 AM Subject: Re: [rspec-users] plain text stories On 10/22/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:> Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you anda> patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > >http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english>WOW!!> Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >_______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users at rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/rspec-users/attachments/20071022/6cc10de4/attachment.html
Haha - brilliant! I was just putting something together myself based on the original thread but it looks like Pat has a) beaten me to it and b) made it look really elegant. Nice work. I love it when a community discussion turns into something as cool as this. And so quickly too :) Cheers, Dan On 10/22/07, aslak hellesoy <aslak.hellesoy at gmail.com> wrote:> > On 10/22/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > > Runner. > > > > Read more: > > > > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > > > > WOW!! > > > Cheers, > > David > > _______________________________________________ > > rspec-users mailing list > > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > > > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/rspec-users/attachments/20071022/b82f6178/attachment.html
On 10/22/07, Dan North <tastapod at gmail.com> wrote:> Haha - brilliant! I was just putting something together myself based on the > original thread but it looks like Pat has a) beaten me to it and b) made it > look really elegant.Just so you know, David did all the work. There was one little piece missing, but he made it so easy that a monkey could do it. I just happened to be that monkey :)> Nice work. I love it when a community discussion turns into something as > cool as this. And so quickly too :)Agreed. Gotta love open source. Pat
This is awesome! Many thanks - Andy David Chelimsky-2 wrote:> > Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > > Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > >-- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/plain-text-stories-tf4667970.html#a13357981 Sent from the rspec-users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Of course when I said "Pat", I in fact meant "David and his monkey" :) On 10/22/07, Pat Maddox <pergesu at gmail.com> wrote:> > On 10/22/07, Dan North <tastapod at gmail.com> wrote: > > Haha - brilliant! I was just putting something together myself based on > the > > original thread but it looks like Pat has a) beaten me to it and b) made > it > > look really elegant. > > Just so you know, David did all the work. There was one little piece > missing, but he made it so easy that a monkey could do it. I just > happened to be that monkey :) > > > > Nice work. I love it when a community discussion turns into something as > > cool as this. And so quickly too :) > > Agreed. Gotta love open source. > > Pat > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/rspec-users/attachments/20071023/932a32b9/attachment.html
http://www.georgeglazer.com/prints/illus/wein-monkeydress.JPG On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Dan North wrote:> Of course when I said "Pat", I in fact meant "David and his monkey" :) > > > On 10/22/07, Pat Maddox < pergesu at gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/22/07, Dan North < tastapod at gmail.com> wrote: > > Haha - brilliant! I was just putting something together myself > based on the > > original thread but it looks like Pat has a) beaten me to it and > b) made it > > look really elegant. > > Just so you know, David did all the work. There was one little piece > missing, but he made it so easy that a monkey could do it. I just > happened to be that monkey :) > > > > Nice work. I love it when a community discussion turns into > something as > > cool as this. And so quickly too :) > > Agreed. Gotta love open source. > > Pat > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/rspec-users/attachments/20071023/f633a4c4/attachment.html
Nice work David! This is a wonderful step in the right direction! Zach Dennis http://www.continuousthinking.com On 10/21/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:> > Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story > -runner-in-plain-english > > Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users at rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users >-- Zach Dennis http://www.continuousthinking.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/rspec-users/attachments/20071023/82d23387/attachment.html
I''m having a lot of trouble understanding why stories are nice for me as a programmer? It seems targeted towards people who don''t want to write code. Generally speaking, I don''t see the need for that on the projects I''m working on. Is it possible for this to be a separate library from RSpec so that RSpec core doesn''t become bloated? -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com
On 10/24/07, John W. Long <ws at johnwlong.com> wrote:> I''m having a lot of trouble understanding why stories are nice for me > as a programmer? It seems targeted towards people who don''t want to > write code. Generally speaking, I don''t see the need for that on the > projects I''m working on. >I see stories as integral / integration tool between your examples (controller and models) and the final user. Also, the whole job of the story is... tell a story. I find this a better interface than: "Contact Page should ... should not..." and so on...> Is it possible for this to be a separate library from RSpec so that > RSpec core doesn''t become bloated?AFAIK, spec and stories run in different paths. you can just ignore the stories part and keep using the spec one. -- Luis Lavena Multimedia systems - Leaders are made, they are not born. They are made by hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay to achieve any goal that is worthwhile. Vince Lombardi
On 10/24/07, John W. Long <ws at johnwlong.com> wrote:> I''m having a lot of trouble understanding why stories are nice for me > as a programmer? It seems targeted towards people who don''t want to > write code. Generally speaking, I don''t see the need for that on the > projects I''m working on.1. If you have customers then stories are a great communication tool 2. They provide end-to-end integration tests 3. They help you think carefully about the feature set and value of your application. 4. Stories enable better refactoring. Using mocks makes your object specs more brittle, so changes to your code often requires changes to the specs. Because stories work at a very high level, specifying observable behavior of the system, you can change the underlying code without breaking behavior.> Is it possible for this to be a separate library from RSpec so that > RSpec core doesn''t become bloated?User stories are an integral part of BDD and as such are a part of RSpec core. Splitting them up would be a gigantic step backwards philosophically. Pat
On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:39 pm, Pat Maddox wrote:> 4. Stories enable better refactoring. Using mocks makes your object > specs more brittle, so changes to your code often requires changes to > the specs. Because stories work at a very high level, specifying > observable behavior of the system, you can change the underlying code > without breaking behavior.In a similar way, because they are so high-level, you drive much more development per line of story than you do per line of spec. In fact, you usually generate far more lines of specs than code, where a story can exercise far more lines of code than it takes to write. For people like me, who need to see progress to make progress, this is a big big win. Ashley -- blog @ http://aviewfromafar.net/ linked-in @ http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleymoran currently @ home