zfs discuss - Nov 2011 - (OT) forums and email was RE: Log disk with all ssd pool?

> From: Daniel Carosone [mailto:dan at geek.com.au]
> 
> On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 06:17:57PM -0400, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
> > You can do both poorly for free, or you can do both very well for big
bucks.
> > That''s what opensolaris was doing.
> 
> That mess was costing someone money and considered very well done?
> Good riddance.
I know this is way OT.  But I''m curious, because I thought it was
relatively
well done - The two negatives that I saw before were (a) when people reply
to a message in the forum, it didn''t naturally quote the message they
were
replying to, so people who received the message via email would not know the
context around the reply...  such as my quoted material of Daniel above ...
and (b) it seemed maintenance heavy.  Meaning there were a significant
(overly significant) number of times that some glitch caused messages posted
on the forums to fail to be emailed or vice-versa, and various other
reliability problems like that.

Were you thinking of these problems when you say it wasn''t well done
and
good riddance?  Were you thinking of something else?

Even further OT:  During my evaluation, I found regroup.com.  They host a
product for about a third of the cost of jive and other competitors (or you
can negotiate a license if you prefer it over a hosted service), and during
the test drive, it did every thing I wanted, perfectly.  If I were to
consider doing something like this again, they''d be at the top of my
list to
revisit.

2011-11-02 5:52, Edward Ned Harvey ?????:
>> From: Daniel Carosone [mailto:dan at geek.com.au]
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 06:17:57PM -0400, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
>>> You can do both poorly for free, or you can do both very well for
big
> bucks.
>>> That''s what opensolaris was doing.
>>
>> That mess was costing someone money and considered very well done?
>> Good riddance.
>
> I know this is way OT.

Even further OT, with no promotion or personal inclination
whatsoever, I remembered that we used "mvnForum" in a J2EE
project some years ago. It was relatively easy to integrate
with a Sun Portal and LDAP Auth, and now I see there is a
portlet edition out of the box. There is also an "email
gate" now.

It is a GPLed project with a proprietary paid version:

http://www.mvnforum.com/mvnforumweb/index.jsp?main_idx=1&idx=0

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mvnforum/

What''s more interesting, I wonder if anyone besde Google
Cache kept a copy of the old forums (or perhaps if their
maintainers can send us a backup), so that if illumos or
openindiana were to put up a replica of the forums and/or
mailing list, we could fill it up with lots of useful
historical posts.

Really, they WERE still a useful reference for many of us,
even if posted a few years back...


//Jim

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Jim Klimov <jimklimov at cos.ru> wrote:
> Really, they WERE still a useful reference for many of us,
> even if posted a few years back...
    I always used the mailing list, and have kept every message since
I subscribed in about July of 2007 in my Google Apps account to make
searching easy. I never trust that anything on the public Internet
will remain forever, and if I want to be able to search an archive, I
archive it myself. Yes, Google Apps _can_ go away, but I expect that
there will be notice beforehand and I can mirror all my Google hosted
email via IMAP if I need to (in fact, in the early days of Google Mail
I did just that as a backup).

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On Wed, November 2, 2011 08:25, Paul Kraus wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Jim Klimov <jimklimov at cos.ru>
wrote:
>
>> Really, they WERE still a useful reference for many of us,
>> even if posted a few years back...
>
>     I always used the mailing list, and have kept every message since
> I subscribed in about July of 2007 in my Google Apps account to make
> searching easy. I never trust that anything on the public Internet
> will remain forever, and if I want to be able to search an archive, I
> archive it myself. Yes, Google Apps _can_ go away, but I expect that
> there will be notice beforehand and I can mirror all my Google hosted
> email via IMAP if I need to (in fact, in the early days of Google Mail
> I did just that as a backup).
Or one can simply download all the raw mail files:

    http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/

Similarly one do a (Google) search by specifying
"site:mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/" in the search bar
to
focus on that URL as well. Substitute "zfs-discuss" for any other
list.

If you''re paranoid about OS.org being shutdown, you may want to set up
a
cron job to regularly grab the files. :)