I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released. The Mozilla Suite (Browser, Mail, Chat clients) will be replaced by SeaMonkey. This is due to Mozilla's change in policy and support for older versions. The Firefox 1.0.x (currently 1.0.8) web browser will be replaced by Firefox 1.5.x (currently 1.5.0.3). We currently have a version of Firefox 1.5.x in the CentOSPlus repo. That version will be replaced by the EL4 version after some more testing ... and the new version will be rolled into CentOS-4.4 in the Base repository when CentOS-4.4 is released. The Thunderbird 1.0.x (currently 1.0.8) will be upgraded to Thunderbird 1.5.x (currently 1.5.0.2). The OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 will be replaced by OpenOffice 1.1.5. This allows better sharing of files between OpenOffice.org 2.0 and CentOS clients. ------------------------------- All these changes will be implemented upstream and rolled out in the released source code, so they will be incorporated into CentOS as well. We will fully test these packages prior to release of the CentOS-4.4 ISOs, however these changes are fairly substantial. I would also like to remind people who are more cautious that CentOS has a vault that will contain CentOS-4.3 after we shift the main mirrors to CentOS-4.4. The vault is available at: http://vault.centos.org/ I am not suggesting that people don't upgrade (as security updates would require one to maintain the current version), but I am just providing information so that if the updates break something, you can easily get back to a known previous version. We have not had any problems so far with the new packages in our testing, and they will be deemed STABLE by upstream when they are released, however these changes are by far the most significant since the release of CentOS-4 and I think they deserve some special attention. Thanks, Johnny Hughes CentOS-4 Lead Developer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20060620/606f08cd/attachment-0002.sig>
On 6/20/06, Johnny Hughes <mailing-lists at hughesjr.com> wrote:> I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will > contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I > would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month > before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.As a side note to this, I think it's worth noting that the kernel currently included in the beta shows some very significant performance increases for systems under load or currently swapping (a problem previously mentioned on the list). The 2.6.9-39 kernel has a number of updated features including netpoll over bonded interfaces, better acpi handling, better NFS cache handling, an updated 3ware driver and a fair amount of other changes. To me it's a marked improvement over the previous kernels. -- This message has been double ROT13 encoded for security. Anyone other than the intended recipient attempting to decode this message will be in violation of the DMCA
William L. Maltby
2006-Jun-20 12:15 UTC
[CentOS] CentOS-4.4 - Some major changes on the way
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 06:03 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:> I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will > contain some major changes. <snip>I would like to thank you and Jim for the advance notice. It, again, demonstrates the conscientious attitude that I believe is one of the hallmarks of the project. -- Bill -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/attachments/20060620/422dcc05/attachment-0002.sig>
William L. Maltby wrote:> On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 06:03 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > >> I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will >> contain some major changes. <snip> >> > > I would like to thank you and Jim for the advance notice. It, again, > demonstrates the conscientious attitude that I believe is one of the > hallmarks of the project. >I'll second that. Of all the distros I've used and had the opportunity to review, I commend the CentOS team for having the most approachable and (more importantly) transparent processes in place to keep users abreast of changes. Cheers,
Johnny Hughes wrote:> I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will > contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I > would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month > before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.> Thanks, > Johnny Hughes > CentOS-4 Lead DeveloperThanks for the heads up. Sincerely, Alex
mailing-lists at hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes) writes:> I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will > contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I > would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month > before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released.[snip changes] I assume from the comment that you make that these changes WILL be different to the versions expected to be distributed by RedHat? I currently follow CentOS because it's stable and BECAUSE it very closely tracks RedHat's RHEL versions. If you decide that you want to distribute newer versions of certain packages would it not be better to provide them separately (perhaps in "vendor specific" (vendor=CentOS) tree? This means that we can if needed maintain compatibility with RHEL or if needed follow the newer versions in a controlled way. Building mozilla, firefox, thunderbird or openoffice this way ALSO allows standard RHEL users to use the CentOS packages if they so choose thus potentially gaining you more "users" and also allowing CentOS to provide "added value" to RHEL. Distinguishing the rpms could be done by: prefixing a centos-packagename to the rpm name and perhaps prefixing the install path to a more appropriate location which could be sym linked to the vendor location if needed (via the alternatives system?) e.g. Provide packages in the "RH standard configure paths" prefixed by something like "/centos". /centos/bin /lib /libexec /share/.... The required changes to the spec file should be reasonably small and should be consistent between different versions of the packages thus making the appropriate patching less troublesome. rpmdiff[1] is also quite good at showing this. I do appreciate the work being done by the CentOS developers and am sure that others do too, but I think that one of the reasons people follow CentOS is because it is a RHEL clone and expect it to behave as such. Starting to diverge from that premise may not be a good idea. Just a thought. Regards, Simon Mudd [1] http://ftp.wl0.org/rpmdiff/rpmdiff
Just curious... are there preview packages of seamonkey available anywhere for download ? Steve -----Original Message----- From: centos-bounces at centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces at centos.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Hughes Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:03 AM To: CentOS ML Subject: [CentOS] CentOS-4.4 - Some major changes on the way I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released. The Mozilla Suite (Browser, Mail, Chat clients) will be replaced by SeaMonkey. This is due to Mozilla's change in policy and support for older versions. The Firefox 1.0.x (currently 1.0.8) web browser will be replaced by Firefox 1.5.x (currently 1.5.0.3). We currently have a version of Firefox 1.5.x in the CentOSPlus repo. That version will be replaced by the EL4 version after some more testing ... and the new version will be rolled into CentOS-4.4 in the Base repository when CentOS-4.4 is released. The Thunderbird 1.0.x (currently 1.0.8) will be upgraded to Thunderbird 1.5.x (currently 1.5.0.2). The OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 will be replaced by OpenOffice 1.1.5. This allows better sharing of files between OpenOffice.org 2.0 and CentOS clients. ------------------------------- All these changes will be implemented upstream and rolled out in the released source code, so they will be incorporated into CentOS as well. We will fully test these packages prior to release of the CentOS-4.4 ISOs, however these changes are fairly substantial. I would also like to remind people who are more cautious that CentOS has a vault that will contain CentOS-4.3 after we shift the main mirrors to CentOS-4.4. The vault is available at: http://vault.centos.org/ I am not suggesting that people don't upgrade (as security updates would require one to maintain the current version), but I am just providing information so that if the updates break something, you can easily get back to a known previous version. We have not had any problems so far with the new packages in our testing, and they will be deemed STABLE by upstream when they are released, however these changes are by far the most significant since the release of CentOS-4 and I think they deserve some special attention. Thanks, Johnny Hughes CentOS-4 Lead Developer
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 06:03 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:> I would like to take the time to inform people that CentOS-4.4 will > contain some major changes. The changes are significant enough that I > would like to spell out some of them now, probably at least a month > before the release of the upstream "EL4 update 4" is released. > > The Mozilla Suite (Browser, Mail, Chat clients) will be replaced by > SeaMonkey. This is due to Mozilla's change in policy and support for > older versions. > > The Firefox 1.0.x (currently 1.0.8) web browser will be replaced by > Firefox 1.5.x (currently 1.5.0.3). We currently have a version of > Firefox 1.5.x in the CentOSPlus repo. That version will be replaced by > the EL4 version after some more testing ... and the new version will be > rolled into CentOS-4.4 in the Base repository when CentOS-4.4 is > released. > > The Thunderbird 1.0.x (currently 1.0.8) will be upgraded to Thunderbird > 1.5.x (currently 1.5.0.2). > > The OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 will be replaced by OpenOffice 1.1.5. This > allows better sharing of files between OpenOffice.org 2.0 and CentOS > clients. > > ------------------------------- > > All these changes will be implemented upstream and rolled out in the > released source code, so they will be incorporated into CentOS as well. > We will fully test these packages prior to release of the CentOS-4.4 > ISOs, however these changes are fairly substantial. > > I would also like to remind people who are more cautious that CentOS has > a vault that will contain CentOS-4.3 after we shift the main mirrors to > CentOS-4.4. The vault is available at: > > http://vault.centos.org/ > > I am not suggesting that people don't upgrade (as security updates would > require one to maintain the current version), but I am just providing > information so that if the updates break something, you can easily get > back to a known previous version. > > We have not had any problems so far with the new packages in our > testing, and they will be deemed STABLE by upstream when they are > released, however these changes are by far the most significant since > the release of CentOS-4 and I think they deserve some special attention. > > Thanks, > Johnny Hughes > CentOS-4 Lead Developer > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centosIs there any information as of yet of other packages to be updated in the update 4 release? I am hoping for updates to NetworkManager and alsa. Regards Phil
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