Some CDs will include all the songs encoded with Windows Media, removing the the need for ripping. Sounds like it has the potential to stomp out competition from other formats such as MP3 & OGG. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-201-7320279-0.html --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Ross Levis wrote:> Some CDs will include all the songs encoded with Windows Media, removing the > the need for ripping. Sounds like it has the potential to stomp out > competition from other formats such as MP3 & OGG. > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-201-7320279-0.htmlIt has the potential to annoy the hell out of a lot of consumers. They chose WMA because of its DRM features, meaning that it will be a pain to move the files from one machine to another. Additionally, placing WMA files on the CD significantly reduces the amount of room on the CD for music, assuming the files are encoded at a reasonable bit rate -- and even at reasonable bit rates, WMA doesn't sound all that good. We're talking 10-20% of the CD here, so the audio time available drops from 78 to 60-70 minutes. And of course WMA files are useful only on Microsoft OS's. Is there even a Mac decoder for WMA? There certainly isn't one for Linux. You might think that Linux is such a small share of the market that that doesn't matter, but remember that the average Linux or BSD user has a higher level of technical skill than the average Windows or Mac user -- high enough, in some cases, to work around whatever obstacles the CD makers want to set in their path, and since WMA isn't available for those OS's, those users still have an incentive to find a way to rip CDs even if the WMA files sounded decent. And once MP3 or Vorbis files exist, they will spread via the Internet. So these protections, and the use of WMA as a lame attempt to defuse consumer anger, aren't really going to accomplish much. Craig --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> Is there even a Mac decoder for WMA?Yep, there is. And it's an official one, made by Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/download/misc/windowsmediaplayer.asp It's not very popular on Mac side, though. Mac-people get Quicktime pre-installed on their systems, after all... ---> jab | commie | http://commie.oy.com "Less is moo." - The Holy Mad Cow http://www.holymadcow.org --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
I dont thnk that it will help the music industry. With the modern soundcard you can record CDs to a wav file and then do what you want with it... No Problem. -Felix Ross Levis schrieb:> Some CDs will include all the songs encoded with Windows Media, removing the > the need for ripping. Sounds like it has the potential to stomp out > competition from other formats such as MP3 & OGG. > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-201-7320279-0.html > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Hongli Lai wrote:> There are WMA files AND normal music on the CD? > Why would they do such crazy thing?Because as the title says "Compromise for CD copying is in the works". They have added anti-ripping techniques to the CD audio but consumers want to be able to play music on their computer, hence the WMA files. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Most likely it is breakable, however, AFAIK it is illegal to publicly provide software to break a copy protection scheme, so for the technically minded it may not be a problem, but for the other 95% (guessing) of the population they will be very happy with the inferior sounding WMA files. Ross. Jay Sprenkle wrote:> The .WMA files are for people to use on their computers, > the regular audio tracks are used when playing on an audio cd player. > They are both protected from copying. The WMA files have a signature > in them, and the audio tracks are supposedly protected from ripping > by using an abnormal table of contents. I'm sure it will prove > very easy to break either protection scheme. One gentleman named > in the article has already managed it using a mechanical technique. > It sounded like some driver changes would fix it as well.--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.