Hal Finkel via llvm-dev
2021-Jun-22 15:52 UTC
[llvm-dev] [cfe-dev] Mailing List Status Update
On 6/21/21 16:59, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL via llvm-dev wrote:> > Are we really going to replace email with Discourse when we can > see that > almost nobody likes using Discourse? > > Metcalfe's law - people are going to tend to use the medium that they > are able to reach the audience on, but not necessarily because it's > superior. Mailing lists have the benefit of long-term incumbency. > > Email has a certain level of “omnipresence” and convenience. Including > the superb interoperability among (pretty much) all of the clients and > platforms. > > I think I would prefer maintaining the status quo but if I woke up > tomorrow and the conversation had moved to Discourse I would join it > there. Regardless of whether it had moved by mandate or popular > adoption. I suspect others may feel similar and therefore the traffic > is not a good metric of preference. > > True. But it may indicate a certain level of acceptance and > convenience. Would one need a “dedicated Discourse app” to access and > participate in the discussions? >One can use Discourse via email, see https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279 - this is one of the major factors that was considered when comparing the different potential options. -Hal> Would that app run smoothly on all the platforms the current list > members use (that includes how much space it would require, perhaps > people already maxed the storage capacity of their mobile devices?)? > How would people include bug reports there – taking screenshots…? > > People kept using email because it seems to work the best. > > I understand that LLVM dev’s aren’t crazy about maintaining mailing > lists – but probably a hosted mailing list solution would be better > than moving to a totally different platform. > > > _______________________________________________ > LLVM Developers mailing list > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20210622/5ac8874c/attachment.html>
Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL via llvm-dev
2021-Jun-22 16:06 UTC
[llvm-dev] [cfe-dev] Mailing List Status Update
I think I would prefer maintaining the status quo but if I woke up tomorrow and the conversation had moved to Discourse I would join it there. Regardless of whether it had moved by mandate or popular adoption. I suspect others may feel similar and therefore the traffic is not a good metric of preference. True. But it may indicate a certain level of acceptance and convenience. Would one need a “dedicated Discourse app” to access and participate in the discussions? One can use Discourse via email, see https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279 - this is one of the major factors that was considered when comparing the different potential options. I checked that site. It looks interesting, but my precursory look did not tell me whether I’d need to enter the Discourse web site once to set my preferences to “Mailing list mode”, or more needs to be done. Also, I did not fully understand whether I can create topics exclusively via email, or still need to do something on the web site to post. The page says: “To create a new topic in a category via email, navigate to that category, and click the envelope button”. So, overall not as bad as I was afraid it would be – but not quite as good as the convenience of a mailing list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20210622/5582c51d/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5249 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/attachments/20210622/5582c51d/attachment.bin>
Johannes Doerfert via llvm-dev
2021-Jun-22 17:58 UTC
[llvm-dev] [cfe-dev] Mailing List Status Update
On 6/22/21 10:52 AM, Hal Finkel via llvm-dev wrote:> On 6/21/21 16:59, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL via llvm-dev wrote: >> >> Are we really going to replace email with Discourse when we can >> see that >> almost nobody likes using Discourse? >> >> Metcalfe's law - people are going to tend to use the medium that they >> are able to reach the audience on, but not necessarily because it's >> superior. Mailing lists have the benefit of long-term incumbency. >> >> Email has a certain level of “omnipresence” and convenience. >> Including the superb interoperability among (pretty much) all of the >> clients and platforms. >> >> I think I would prefer maintaining the status quo but if I woke up >> tomorrow and the conversation had moved to Discourse I would join it >> there. Regardless of whether it had moved by mandate or popular >> adoption. I suspect others may feel similar and therefore the >> traffic is not a good metric of preference. >> >> True. But it may indicate a certain level of acceptance and >> convenience. Would one need a “dedicated Discourse app” to access and >> participate in the discussions? >> > > One can use Discourse via email, see > https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279 > - this is one of the major factors that was considered when comparing > the different potential options.FYI: https://llvm.discourse.group/t/discourse-as-mailing-list-replacement-some-questions/3713 ~ Johannes> > -Hal > > >> Would that app run smoothly on all the platforms the current list >> members use (that includes how much space it would require, perhaps >> people already maxed the storage capacity of their mobile devices?)? >> How would people include bug reports there – taking screenshots…? >> >> People kept using email because it seems to work the best. >> >> I understand that LLVM dev’s aren’t crazy about maintaining mailing >> lists – but probably a hosted mailing list solution would be better >> than moving to a totally different platform. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LLVM Developers mailing list >> llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org >> https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev > > _______________________________________________ > LLVM Developers mailing list > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org > https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev