Xen users - Nov 2013 - Status of merging the #xen and ##xen IRC channels?

Hey,

(Pasi, you''re CC''d as you''re the only active op I see
around in either
of these channels, and I thought you might have some input here.)

I''ve been hanging out and helping people (I hope) in both ##xen
(unofficial) and #xen (official) on freenode for a few months now. One
thing I have noticed is that the official channel is still there in a
sort of half-migrated limbo.

Upon connecting to ##xen, you get:

16:37 [freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [##xen] You''ve reached
##xen, an unofficial channel. If you joined #xen, you were forwarded
here; please
          join ##xen directly in the future. Thanks!

...but upon connecting to #xen, you get nothing (and you don''t get
redirected, either). It seems like the redirect is either set up
incorrectly, or is disabled?

##xen currently has 198 users, and #xen has 77. Of the unique 246
users, only 29 are in both channels. Not exactly huge numbers, but
they still get around 2-5 questions on a weekday, usually by people
just popping in. #xen has been around for at least a year, and I''m not
sure how long the redirect, broken or not, has been around.

I ask because I often see newbies/users asking questions in one of the
channels and not the other. Upon not getting a response (usually in
#xen), they sometimes try asking in the other channel after some time,
or usually just leave outright.

I think the current two-channel situation adds to the confusion that
newbies already have between the Xen hypervisor, XAPI, XenServer, etc.
Is there someone here with the power to enforce the redirect
(presumably in the ''unofficial -> official'' direction), or
any other
suggestions?

- Matthew (aka ''hypermatt'' in IRC)

On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:01:32PM +1300, Matthew Daley
wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> (Pasi, you''re CC''d as you''re the only active op
I see around in either
> of these channels, and I thought you might have some input here.)
>
Hi!
 
> I''ve been hanging out and helping people (I hope) in both ##xen
> (unofficial) and #xen (official) on freenode for a few months now. One
> thing I have noticed is that the official channel is still there in a
> sort of half-migrated limbo.
> 
> Upon connecting to ##xen, you get:
> 
> 16:37 [freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [##xen] You''ve
reached
> ##xen, an unofficial channel. If you joined #xen, you were forwarded
> here; please
>           join ##xen directly in the future. Thanks!
> 
> ...but upon connecting to #xen, you get nothing (and you don''t get
> redirected, either). It seems like the redirect is either set up
> incorrectly, or is disabled?
>
No idea really.. last time when I tried joining #xen, the redirect to ##xen
*did* work..

 
> ##xen currently has 198 users, and #xen has 77. Of the unique 246
> users, only 29 are in both channels. Not exactly huge numbers, but
> they still get around 2-5 questions on a weekday, usually by people
> just popping in. #xen has been around for at least a year, and I''m
not
> sure how long the redirect, broken or not, has been around.
> 
> I ask because I often see newbies/users asking questions in one of the
> channels and not the other. Upon not getting a response (usually in
> #xen), they sometimes try asking in the other channel after some time,
> or usually just leave outright.
> 
> I think the current two-channel situation adds to the confusion that
> newbies already have between the Xen hypervisor, XAPI, XenServer, etc.
> Is there someone here with the power to enforce the redirect
> (presumably in the ''unofficial -> official''
direction), or any other
> suggestions?
> 
Agreed.. I think we need to ask smaresca, azrael, evil_steve, or Kevin
about the redirects.. they''ve been opped on ##xen longer than me. 
> - Matthew (aka ''hypermatt'' in IRC)

-- Pasi (pasik)

On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 09:15 +0200, Pasi Kärkkäinen
wrote:
> last time when I tried joining #xen, the redirect to ##xen *did* work..
Sometime ago (a year or 18 months? Fuzzy memory...). We formally
registered the #xen prefix with freenode, with Lars as admin IIRC.

That might have caused a reset or a change in behaviour of some sort?

I agree that causing one or the other channels to redirect to the other
such that we only have on user channel would be good. FWIW I see no
reason not to op all the current ##xen ops (at least the active ones) on
#xen.

Ian.


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On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 09:45:07AM +0000, Ian Campbell
wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 09:15 +0200, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> > last time when I tried joining #xen, the redirect to ##xen *did*
work..
> 
> Sometime ago (a year or 18 months? Fuzzy memory...). We formally
> registered the #xen prefix with freenode, with Lars as admin IIRC.
>
Yeah, it was many moons ago.. as I have ##xen configured to my irc client..
 
> That might have caused a reset or a change in behaviour of some sort?
> 
That''s possible.
> I agree that causing one or the other channels to redirect to the other
> such that we only have on user channel would be good. FWIW I see no
> reason not to op all the current ##xen ops (at least the active ones) on
> #xen.
> 
Agreed.

-- Pasi
> Ian.
>

Lars, ping?

- Matthew

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen <pasik@iki.fi>
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 09:45:07AM +0000, Ian Campbell wrote:
>> On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 09:15 +0200, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
>> > last time when I tried joining #xen, the redirect to ##xen *did*
work..
>>
>> Sometime ago (a year or 18 months? Fuzzy memory...). We formally
>> registered the #xen prefix with freenode, with Lars as admin IIRC.
>>
>
> Yeah, it was many moons ago.. as I have ##xen configured to my irc client..
>
>> That might have caused a reset or a change in behaviour of some sort?
>>
>
> That''s possible.
>
>> I agree that causing one or the other channels to redirect to the other
>> such that we only have on user channel would be good. FWIW I see no
>> reason not to op all the current ##xen ops (at least the active ones)
on
>> #xen.
>>
>
> Agreed.
>
> -- Pasi
>
>> Ian.
>>