Xen users - Apr 2005 - filesystem image of Fedora Core for Xen?

Kristinn, Ted, Aq,

Let me add a few thoughts.

First off, an OSZoo style selection of filesystem images to be used in Xen 
guests would be very welcome.  Thanks for taking the initiative with this.

Regarding dom0 support: you''re more than welcome to work on a
distribution
with enhanced dom0 support.  However, you should be aware that existing 
distros are taking onboard the task of supporting Xen, making the creation of 
a special Xen-based distribution less important.  I would suggest you at 
least consider looking at the Xen support for you favourite distro and maybe 
helping out with that.

Just my $0.02,
Mark

On Sunday 03 April 2005 03:07, Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson
wrote:
> Ted, I agree... I think that people are too afraid to go on their own
> with this, afraid to piss someone off.  Everybody is afraid of forks
> and forking this and forking that.  Haven''t seen that happen on
> anything big yet.
>
> Let''s take our ideas and make something of them, put them on-line
and
> get people to comment and flame.  I think that will help the promotion
> of Xen if we were just to make available something so small and easy
> as creating dom0 dists and domU guests..  Just think about how many
> geeks have tried out Xen when fedoraproject.org put up a small HOWTO
> on their wiki.
>
> for the record, I still don''t consider putting together images as
> ''development''.   I couldn''t write bytecode to
say ''Hello World'' even
> if my life was at stake.
>
> soffi
>
> On Apr 3, 2005 2:02 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com> wrote:
> >  Soffi
> >
> >  My nose is plugged - I have to breath through my mouth.
> >
> >  I''m glad you think such a project is "cool" -- so
do I, maybe others,
> > maybe not.
> >
> >  Because Xen is in development (with a so called stable version) is
all
> > the more reason to promote Xen not a reason to shy away from it.  In
> > addition, Xen is part of several related projects like Xenoboot for
> > example and a larger and impressive perspective of networking. 
Therefore
> > supporting Xen in a way is also supporting the other Cambridge
projects
> > aimed at the betterment of networking of which Xen is a part.  Anyway,
I
> > have complete confidence in the Xen development team.  Also, I see no
> > harm to anyone and only help to others in providing this service if it
is
> > an acceptable one as far as the development team is concerned.  I have
> > not heard from them yet on this issue -- they are probably busy making
> > the greatest product ever.
> >
> >  Thanks - Ted
> >
> >
> >  Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson wrote:
> >
> >  Please Ted, save the marketing speak (FREE, NO CHARGE etc.)
> >
> > Your idea is great, and I honour you... putting together a Dom0 dist
> > would be cool.
> >
> > I´m gonna be focusing on getting domU (guests if you will) working.
> > I''m quite happy with my dom0 setup (imho you don''t
set up/trash dom0''s
> > everyday.. that''s what the domU''s are for).
> >
> > If you wanna try out a Dom0, install Fedora Core4-test1 or FC3 and
> > pull Xen in from development. I''ve also preordered SuSE 9.3
because
> > they say they will be packaging Xen functionality there.
> >
> >
> > Also.. keep in mind Ted, that Xen is in development, breathe through
your
> > nose.
> >
> > peace and love,
> > soffi
> >
> >
> > On Apr 3, 2005 1:37 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Kristinn
> >
> >  This is getting confused.
> >
> >  Okay, you were talking about DomU but I sort of thought you would be
> > interested in doing Dom 0. I looked at the site you provided and
(forgive
> > me if I got it wrong as I often do) that is nothing to do with Xen. I
> > want to find people -- if there are any -- interested in building an
> > Xen-based (linux [Fedora, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake and the rest]) Dom 0
> > system installations in a way that they can be downloaded or put on
DVD
> > as an installation disk -- a kind of distribution if you will. In my
> > opinion this would be a real service I could supply to the Xen
community
> > as I know of many people struggling to get Xen working or even afraid
to
> > try because of the time involved if problems turn up as they do for
many.
> > At least with working models they would be over the Dom 0 threshold
and
> > maybe looking at DomU issues. Right? A fully working (all tools based
on
> > most recent stable versions) and NO CHARGE service is what I am
talking
> > about consistent with Open and Free software development. If there are
> > such people then I would provide the facilities -- FREE. So my
previous
> > email still stands and it looks as if you are not interested in
> > participating in such an effort.
> >
> >  Thanks -- Ted
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  aq wrote:
> >
> >  On Apr 3, 2005 9:30 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Kristinn
> >
> >  If I understand you, you seem to be saying that for various
> > distributions like Mandrake, Fedora Core, Gentoo, SuSE, etc., you are
> > willing to produce Xen-based (Dom 0) linux base systems and put them
on
> > line???
> >
> >  no, that is domU, not dom0
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  I was going to ask the developers of Xen to consider this as a facet
of
> > their operation but I don''t think their mandate allows them
to do this or
> > they don''t see doing this directly in line with what they are
doing.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think everything is fine. if you ever used QEMU, you must know the
> > site hosting the qemu images (www.freeoszoo.org) ? the situation is
> > same here.
> >
> > regards,
> > aq
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> First, support and kernel consistency -- something that hackers of your
> caliber never require and therefore forget about.  For the average
> distribution from SuSE, Red Hat, Debian, and many others there is no
> real installation support.  You cannot even pay for support on special
> non standard initial installation (desktop only).  You have to buy their
> Enterprise version or server or they won''t even consider talking
to you.
That''s true, although there is community support available via forums
and
mailing lists - there are even distro people there to answer questions on a 
"best effort" basis.
> servers, mixed mode networks and that sort of thing.  Therefore, the
> idea of this project would be NOT TO DISTURB the specific distributor
> supportable installation and by means of a dual boot the user could
> chose whether to run the Linux distribution or the Xen-based (any linux
> OS base) as Dom 0 and the primary distributor installation could be
> treated as a DomU
So you''re proposing a special distinct distribution for use in dom0?
> is that when they do choose Xen they have a choice from this project
> proposal to pick the Dom 0 OS free from both a compiling problem and
> free from using  a particular favored position of the distribution
> vendor -- e.g. SuSE as the primary installation and SuSE as the Dom 0
> base.  Not a real choice is it???  Personally I detest that kind of choice.
Sorry, I''m not clear on the choice problem here.
> Xen could conceivable 
> evolve and would do so by eventually defining it''s own Dom 0 in
order to
> better handle a myriad of DomU Operating Systems.
Well, what''s in the dom0 shouldn''t really matter to the domUs.
Where it could
matter is in sorting out who will provide support if you''re running,
say, a
SLES guest with a RHEL dom0.

Anyhow, to clarify: are you proposing a dedicated dom0-oriented distribution, 
with the sole purpose of providing services and management to domUs?  Who 
will provide support for dom0 and domUs in this instance?

Thanks for your enthusiasm on this - Free Software needs good community 
support.

Cheers,
Mark

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hello,

I wonder if anybody out here is providing a filesystem image (rootfs)
of Fedora Core for Xen, so others can download and use it as domU?

In the user manual, there is a short guide for the newbie to use Xen
with ttylinux, and I think it would be very nice if somebody could
provides with other generic rootfs, like Fedora Core, Debian,
Slackware,..., so everybody wants to try Xen can easily take the first
steps.

Thank you a lot,
aq

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I''m build images for Fedora Core 3 and Centos 4 right now...
I''ll make
them available online as soon as they are ready... would you like to
see some other OS''s ?

peace and love,
-soffi-


On Apr 2, 2005 3:09 PM, aq <aquynh@gmail.com>
wrote:
> hello,
> 
> I wonder if anybody out here is providing a filesystem image (rootfs)
> of Fedora Core for Xen, so others can download and use it as domU?
> 
> In the user manual, there is a short guide for the newbie to use Xen
> with ttylinux, and I think it would be very nice if somebody could
> provides with other generic rootfs, like Fedora Core, Debian,
> Slackware,..., so everybody wants to try Xen can easily take the first
> steps.
> 
> Thank you a lot,
> aq
> 
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On Apr 3, 2005 4:18 AM, Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson
<soffanias@gmail.com> wrote:
> I''m build images for Fedora Core 3 and Centos 4 right now...
I''ll make
> them available online as soon as they are ready... would you like to
> see some other OS''s ?
yes please, Kristinn. I had some troubles building the rootfs for FC3.
yum seems not very stable.

it would be very nice if you can provide some rootfs. in the long run,
I think XenSource could host these rootfs, shouldn''t?

i made one rootfs for Debian and 1 for Ubuntu. the guide on how to
make them in the Xen user manual works perfectly. if anybody wants
these rootfs, tell me.(the only problem is I dont know how to host
them)

thank you a lot,
aq

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Hi, 
using xen 2.0.5

kernel 2.6.10

Now, it matters little weather I make modifications to the kernel or use
the 2.0.5 kernel compile as stock.  


Everything works fine when the pc is running, there seem to be no issues
there.

However, when I go to reboot, it fails to do so unless I''ve made a
change to the partition table.  I don''t understand why this is, but I
thought I''d mention it.

The system in use is gentoo
runnig on asus mainboard, intel 875 chipset, 2g ram, 4 sata harddrive, 1
pata drive. etc.  Nothing unusual here.  All hardware supported.

any ideas?

-- 
Jack Downes <jack@chainreactionweb.com>
Chain Reaction Web


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I have images for CentOS and Fedora Core 3 available at
http://www.kvadratrot.net/~xen

and I believe ''aq'' is going to let me host his Debian and
Ubuntu
images in a short while.

peace and love,

-soffi-


On Apr 2, 2005 9:39 PM, aq <aquynh@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2005 4:18 AM, Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson
> <soffanias@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I''m build images for Fedora Core 3 and Centos 4 right now...
I''ll make
> > them available online as soon as they are ready... would you like to
> > see some other OS''s ?
> 
> yes please, Kristinn. I had some troubles building the rootfs for FC3.
> yum seems not very stable.
> 
> it would be very nice if you can provide some rootfs. in the long run,
> I think XenSource could host these rootfs, shouldn''t?
> 
> i made one rootfs for Debian and 1 for Ubuntu. the guide on how to
> make them in the Xen user manual works perfectly. if anybody wants
> these rootfs, tell me.(the only problem is I dont know how to host
> them)
> 
> thank you a lot,
> aq
>
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On Apr 3, 2005 7:11 AM, Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson
<soffanias@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have images for CentOS and Fedora Core 3 available at
> http://www.kvadratrot.net/~xen
> 
> and I believe ''aq'' is going to let me host his Debian and
Ubuntu
> images in a short while.
> 
great job, Kristinn. I will send you my rootfs soon (need a little
time to prepare ...)

best regards,
aq

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Kristinn

If I understand you, you seem to be saying that for various 
distributions like Mandrake, Fedora Core, Gentoo, SuSE, etc., you are 
willing to produce Xen-based (Dom 0) linux base systems and put them on 
line???

I was going to ask the developers of Xen to consider this as a facet of 
their operation but I don''t think their mandate allows them to do this 
or they don''t see doing this directly in line with what they are doing.
 They will be reading this so they can correct me if I am mistaken. So I 
have hesitated in asking.  But there is no reason why a group of us 
cannot set up our own facility working cooperatively with Xen developers 
and users.  We are talking user issues here not development issues.  I 
would also we interested in putting these systems onto DVDs in a manner 
that would facilitate their installation on other computers.

If you are willing to build and test these Xen-based (Dom 0) linux core 
systems I will make provision for hosting them.  I am currently in the 
process of establishing a sattelite connection between my LAN and the 
Internet with a static IP address therefore download and upload 
activities would be fast. I could dedicate a machine as the server. 
There would be tons of hard drive storage available. But the details we 
could work out.  But we would have to also define how this facility 
would be set up for access but we can do this off-list because it does 
not bear directly on the Xen development or user list mandates as near 
as I can tell.  If we do this I would like to stress that we should have 
someone on the Xen development group voluntarily watch over and strongly 
influence our activities.

What do you think???

Thanks, Ted


Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson wrote:
>I''m build images for Fedora Core 3 and Centos 4 right now...
I''ll make
>them available online as soon as they are ready... would you like to
>see some other OS''s ?
>
>peace and love,
>-soffi-
>
>
>On Apr 2, 2005 3:09 PM, aq <aquynh@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>hello,
>>
>>I wonder if anybody out here is providing a filesystem image (rootfs)
>>of Fedora Core for Xen, so others can download and use it as domU?
>>
>>In the user manual, there is a short guide for the newbie to use Xen
>>with ttylinux, and I think it would be very nice if somebody could
>>provides with other generic rootfs, like Fedora Core, Debian,
>>Slackware,..., so everybody wants to try Xen can easily take the first
>>steps.
>>
>>Thank you a lot,
>>aq
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
>>http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
>>
>>    
>>
>
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On Apr 3, 2005 9:30 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com>
wrote:
>  Kristinn
>  
>  If I understand you, you seem to be saying that for various distributions
> like Mandrake, Fedora Core, Gentoo, SuSE, etc., you are willing to produce
> Xen-based (Dom 0) linux base systems and put them on line???
no, that is domU, not dom0
>  
>  I was going to ask the developers of Xen to consider this as a facet of
> their operation but I don''t think their mandate allows them to do
this or
> they don''t see doing this directly in line with what they are
doing.
I think everything is fine. if you ever used QEMU, you must know the
site hosting the qemu images (www.freeoszoo.org) ? the situation is
same here.

regards,
aq

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Hi Ted, glad you are willing to help.

The thing is... I think the Xen developers would like to do more
"developing" instead of hacking some distributions to boot as domU...
And I don''t consider my work development ;)

I''m building these images as we speak, and ''aq'' is
letting me download
his debian and ubuntu images now.

Hosting would be great.. since I''m in ICELAND I don''t have
much
bandwidth available.

I''m using the rest of the weekend trying these images out and
hopefully get a Mandrake image going and I might take a pass at a SuSE
image.

later

-soffi-


On Apr 3, 2005 12:30 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com>
wrote:
>  Kristinn
>  
>  If I understand you, you seem to be saying that for various distributions
> like Mandrake, Fedora Core, Gentoo, SuSE, etc., you are willing to produce
> Xen-based (Dom 0) linux base systems and put them on line???
>  
>  I was going to ask the developers of Xen to consider this as a facet of
> their operation but I don''t think their mandate allows them to do
this or
> they don''t see doing this directly in line with what they are
doing.  They
> will be reading this so they can correct me if I am mistaken. So I have
> hesitated in asking.  But there is no reason why a group of us cannot set
up
> our own facility working cooperatively with Xen developers and users.  We
> are talking user issues here not development issues.  I would also we
> interested in putting these systems onto DVDs in a manner that would
> facilitate their installation on other computers.
>  
>  If you are willing to build and test these Xen-based (Dom 0) linux core
> systems I will make provision for hosting them.  I am currently in the
> process of establishing a sattelite connection between my LAN and the
> Internet with a static IP address therefore download and upload activities
> would be fast. I could dedicate a machine as the server. There would be
tons
> of hard drive storage available. But the details we could work out.  But we
> would have to also define how this facility would be set up for access but
> we can do this off-list because it does not bear directly on the Xen
> development or user list mandates as near as I can tell.  If we do this I
> would like to stress that we should have someone on the Xen development
> group voluntarily watch over and strongly influence our activities.
>  
>  What do you think???
>  
>  Thanks, Ted
>  
>  
>  Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson wrote:
>  
>  I''m build images for Fedora Core 3 and Centos 4 right now...
I''ll make
> them available online as soon as they are ready... would you like to
> see some other OS''s ?
> 
> peace and love,
> -soffi-
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2005 3:09 PM, aq <aquynh@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  
>  hello,
> 
> I wonder if anybody out here is providing a filesystem image (rootfs)
> of Fedora Core for Xen, so others can download and use it as domU?
> 
> In the user manual, there is a short guide for the newbie to use Xen
> with ttylinux, and I think it would be very nice if somebody could
> provides with other generic rootfs, like Fedora Core, Debian,
> Slackware,..., so everybody wants to try Xen can easily take the first
> steps.
> 
> Thank you a lot,
> aq
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Xen-users mailing list
> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com
> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> 
>  
>  
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> 
>  
>  
>
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Kristinn

This is getting confused.

Okay, you were talking about DomU but I sort of thought you would be 
interested in doing Dom 0.  I looked at the site you provided and 
(forgive me if I got it wrong as I often do) that is nothing to do with 
Xen. I want to find people -- if there are any -- interested in building 
an Xen-based (linux [Fedora, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake and the rest]) Dom 0 
system installations in a way that they can be downloaded or put on DVD 
as an installation disk -- a kind of distribution if you will. In my 
opinion this would be a real service I could supply to the Xen community 
as I know of many people struggling to get Xen working or even afraid to 
try because of the time involved if problems turn up as they do for 
many.  At least with working models they would be over the Dom 0 
threshold and maybe looking at DomU issues. Right? A fully working (all 
tools based on most recent stable versions) and NO CHARGE service is 
what I am talking about consistent with Open and Free software 
development.  If there are such people then I would provide the 
facilities -- FREE.  So my previous email still stands and it looks as 
if you are not interested in participating in such an effort.

Thanks -- Ted




aq wrote:
>On Apr 3, 2005 9:30 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com> wrote:
>  
>
>> Kristinn
>> 
>> If I understand you, you seem to be saying that for various
distributions
>>like Mandrake, Fedora Core, Gentoo, SuSE, etc., you are willing to
produce
>>Xen-based (Dom 0) linux base systems and put them on line???
>>    
>>
>
>no, that is domU, not dom0
>
>  
>
>> 
>> I was going to ask the developers of Xen to consider this as a facet of
>>their operation but I don''t think their mandate allows them to
do this or
>>they don''t see doing this directly in line with what they are
doing.
>>    
>>
>
>I think everything is fine. if you ever used QEMU, you must know the
>site hosting the qemu images (www.freeoszoo.org) ? the situation is
>same here.
>
>regards,
>aq
>
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>  
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Please Ted, save the marketing speak (FREE, NO CHARGE etc.)

Your idea is great, and I honour you... putting together a Dom0 dist
would be cool.

I´m gonna be focusing on getting domU (guests if you will) working. 
I''m quite happy with my dom0 setup (imho you don''t set
up/trash dom0''s
everyday.. that''s what the domU''s are for).

If you wanna try out a Dom0, install Fedora Core4-test1 or FC3 and
pull Xen in from development.  I''ve also preordered SuSE 9.3 because
they say they will be packaging Xen functionality there.


Also.. keep in mind Ted, that Xen is in development, breathe through your nose.

peace and love,
soffi


On Apr 3, 2005 1:37 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com>
wrote:
>  Kristinn
>  
>  This is getting confused.
>  
>  Okay, you were talking about DomU but I sort of thought you would be
> interested in doing Dom 0.  I looked at the site you provided and (forgive
> me if I got it wrong as I often do) that is nothing to do with Xen. I want
> to find people -- if there are any -- interested in building an Xen-based
> (linux [Fedora, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake and the rest]) Dom 0 system
> installations in a way that they can be downloaded or put on DVD as an
> installation disk -- a kind of distribution if you will. In my opinion this
> would be a real service I could supply to the Xen community as I know of
> many people struggling to get Xen working or even afraid to try because of
> the time involved if problems turn up as they do for many.  At least with
> working models they would be over the Dom 0 threshold and maybe looking at
> DomU issues. Right? A fully working (all tools based on most recent stable
> versions) and NO CHARGE service is what I am talking about consistent with
> Open and Free software development.  If there are such people then I would
> provide the facilities -- FREE.  So my previous email still stands and it
> looks as if you are not interested in participating in such an effort.
>  
>  Thanks -- Ted
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  aq wrote:
>  
>  On Apr 3, 2005 9:30 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com> wrote:
>  
>  
>  Kristinn
>  
>  If I understand you, you seem to be saying that for various distributions
> like Mandrake, Fedora Core, Gentoo, SuSE, etc., you are willing to produce
> Xen-based (Dom 0) linux base systems and put them on line???
>  
>  no, that is domU, not dom0
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  I was going to ask the developers of Xen to consider this as a facet of
> their operation but I don''t think their mandate allows them to do
this or
> they don''t see doing this directly in line with what they are
doing.
>  
>  
> 
> I think everything is fine. if you ever used QEMU, you must know the
> site hosting the qemu images (www.freeoszoo.org) ? the situation is
> same here.
> 
> regards,
> aq
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> 
>  
>  
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On Apr 3, 2005 10:29 AM, Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson
<soffanias@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ted, glad you are willing to help.
> 
> The thing is... I think the Xen developers would like to do more
> "developing" instead of hacking some distributions to boot as
domU...
> And I don''t consider my work development ;)
> 
> I''m building these images as we speak, and ''aq''
is letting me download
> his debian and ubuntu images now.
> 
> Hosting would be great.. since I''m in ICELAND I don''t
have much
> bandwidth available.
> 
> I''m using the rest of the weekend trying these images out and
> hopefully get a Mandrake image going and I might take a pass at a SuSE
> image.
> 
great job, Kristinn. you should announce your hosting images in a
separate thread once you finish updating your site, so others can find
them.

cheers,
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Ted, I agree... I think that people are too afraid to go on their own
with this, afraid to piss someone off.  Everybody is afraid of forks
and forking this and forking that.  Haven''t seen that happen on
anything big yet.

Let''s take our ideas and make something of them, put them on-line and
get people to comment and flame.  I think that will help the promotion
of Xen if we were just to make available something so small and easy
as creating dom0 dists and domU guests..  Just think about how many
geeks have tried out Xen when fedoraproject.org put up a small HOWTO
on their wiki.

for the record, I still don''t consider putting together images as
''development''.   I couldn''t write bytecode to say
''Hello World'' even
if my life was at stake.

soffi

On Apr 3, 2005 2:02 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com>
wrote:
>  Soffi
>  
>  My nose is plugged - I have to breath through my mouth.
>  
>  I''m glad you think such a project is "cool" -- so do I,
maybe others, maybe
> not.
>  
>  Because Xen is in development (with a so called stable version) is all the
> more reason to promote Xen not a reason to shy away from it.  In addition,
> Xen is part of several related projects like Xenoboot for example and a
> larger and impressive perspective of networking.  Therefore supporting Xen
> in a way is also supporting the other Cambridge projects aimed at the
> betterment of networking of which Xen is a part.  Anyway, I have complete
> confidence in the Xen development team.  Also, I see no harm to anyone and
> only help to others in providing this service if it is an acceptable one as
> far as the development team is concerned.  I have not heard from them yet
on
> this issue -- they are probably busy making the greatest product ever.
>  
>  Thanks - Ted
>  
>  
>  Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson wrote:
>  
>  Please Ted, save the marketing speak (FREE, NO CHARGE etc.)
> 
> Your idea is great, and I honour you... putting together a Dom0 dist
> would be cool.
> 
> I´m gonna be focusing on getting domU (guests if you will) working. 
> I''m quite happy with my dom0 setup (imho you don''t set
up/trash dom0''s
> everyday.. that''s what the domU''s are for).
> 
> If you wanna try out a Dom0, install Fedora Core4-test1 or FC3 and
> pull Xen in from development. I''ve also preordered SuSE 9.3
because
> they say they will be packaging Xen functionality there.
> 
> 
> Also.. keep in mind Ted, that Xen is in development, breathe through your
> nose.
> 
> peace and love,
> soffi
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2005 1:37 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com> wrote:
>  
>  
>  Kristinn
>  
>  This is getting confused.
>  
>  Okay, you were talking about DomU but I sort of thought you would be
> interested in doing Dom 0. I looked at the site you provided and (forgive
> me if I got it wrong as I often do) that is nothing to do with Xen. I want
> to find people -- if there are any -- interested in building an Xen-based
> (linux [Fedora, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake and the rest]) Dom 0 system
> installations in a way that they can be downloaded or put on DVD as an
> installation disk -- a kind of distribution if you will. In my opinion this
> would be a real service I could supply to the Xen community as I know of
> many people struggling to get Xen working or even afraid to try because of
> the time involved if problems turn up as they do for many. At least with
> working models they would be over the Dom 0 threshold and maybe looking at
> DomU issues. Right? A fully working (all tools based on most recent stable
> versions) and NO CHARGE service is what I am talking about consistent with
> Open and Free software development. If there are such people then I would
> provide the facilities -- FREE. So my previous email still stands and it
> looks as if you are not interested in participating in such an effort.
>  
>  Thanks -- Ted
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  aq wrote:
>  
>  On Apr 3, 2005 9:30 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com> wrote:
>  
>  
>  Kristinn
>  
>  If I understand you, you seem to be saying that for various distributions
> like Mandrake, Fedora Core, Gentoo, SuSE, etc., you are willing to produce
> Xen-based (Dom 0) linux base systems and put them on line???
>  
>  no, that is domU, not dom0
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  I was going to ask the developers of Xen to consider this as a facet of
> their operation but I don''t think their mandate allows them to do
this or
> they don''t see doing this directly in line with what they are
doing.
>  
>  
> 
> I think everything is fine. if you ever used QEMU, you must know the
> site hosting the qemu images (www.freeoszoo.org) ? the situation is
> same here.
> 
> regards,
> aq
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Mark Williamson wrote:
> So you''re proposing a special distinct distribution for use in
dom0?
sounds like it to me.  I vote for xentoo as the first distribution...

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I''m a member of a group of students from the COSI (Clarkson Open Source
Institute) that has been working on creating a special distinct 
distribution for use in dom0.  We hope to have something available by 
early next week.

Mike


Eric S. Johansson wrote:
> Mark Williamson wrote:
>
>> So you''re proposing a special distinct distribution for use in
dom0?
>
>
> sounds like it to me.  I vote for xentoo as the first distribution...
>
> --- eric
>

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Eric

Thank you for your positive remarks.

My response:
I think your project is the way of the future for products like Xen.

I would be proud to put your group''s achievment on a server and make it
freely available to all interested parties.  But I would only do this if 
your package  was compiled into Xen in the form of an Xen-based (your 
Dom  0 base) system so it could be treated as a COSI distribution or 
example distribution.   Also, I would also make the COSI distribution 
available on DVD.  

Apart from the above I have this digression;

I have been considering the use of installation DVDs as explained above 
as provided at some small cost and the money used to support Xen 
development efforts.  If this were to happen your group should get some 
kind of percentage in order to help your instititue advance in this 
project.  But I am not sure how to handle this and think probably the 
person or organization requesting the DVD -- freely provided -- would be 
encouraged to make the appropriate donations or whatever was in their 
means.  I don''t want to be involved in the money game or caught up into
legalities.  But I want very much to see certain kinds of Open (and 
Free) software products advance.  In my mind the giving of donations is 
just a voluntariy form of helping the best one can.  I''m only
supportive
as long as your groups efforts are non proprietary and conform to the 
GNU Open license and consistent with the Xen license.  Free (not for 
sale free) is desireable but not necessary.

Progress of this first day old proposal of a distribution project:

I am still waiting for volunteers to freely contribute their Dom 0 and 
DomU builds (with associated sources)  in a way suitable as an easily 
installable product with built in installation instructions.  Although 
it would appear that many think this project of making available Dom 0 
and DomU distributions is a neat way to go.  Actually, I expected a fair 
degree of "flack" but have instead encountered a very positive
attitude.
But talk is not the kind of action I am looking for.  Also, everyone 
that makes a contribution (in the way of creating an installable 
installation downloaded from the server) get''s that particular 
distribution named after them and hopefully would maintain that 
distribution on the server I freely provide.  Please refer to the entire 
flow of email on this subject that sprouted from and more or less took 
over from the "filesystem image of Fedora Core for Xen" thread, which 
was unintentional, sorry.

Perhaps someone can come up with a new thread name that adequately 
conveys what this project proposal is all about.


Thanks -- Ted
PS: I''m of the persuation that all information on absolutely everything
should be open and available to everyone but am willing to allow for the 
amortization of that cost of developing through the disseminating of 
that information.  I include in that NEWS, medical research, software 
development, and "virtually" every kind of information that progresses
human evolution according to the Divine Plan. I don''t believe in 
patents.  I don''t believe in copyrights that put people in a possession
on ownership over information.  Enough!



Michael McCabe wrote:
> I''m a member of a group of students from the COSI (Clarkson Open 
> Source Institute) that has been working on creating a special distinct 
> distribution for use in dom0.  We hope to have something available by 
> early next week.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Eric S. Johansson wrote:
>
>> Mark Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> So you''re proposing a special distinct distribution for
use in dom0?
>>
>>
>>
>> sounds like it to me.  I vote for xentoo as the first distribution...
>>
>> --- eric
>>
>
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Ted Hilts a écrit :
> I am still waiting for volunteers to freely contribute their Dom 0 and 
> DomU builds (with associated sources)  in a way suitable as an easily 
For the French community, we will put some VM (domU) available:
http://xenfr.org/tiki-index.php?page=T%C3%A9l%C3%A9chargement

And we are looking for VM (domU) with this applications:
* AlternC
* Gforge
* Plone
* LVS
* SambaOpenLDAP+ACL
* Others?

About the size of the VM (domU), we should provide images less than 500 
Mbytes?

What do you think about that?


regards,
	Antoine N.
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Antoine

That''s great and thank you but any size (even 2 gig or more) is
acceptable.

I think in the interest of "excellence" and "comprehensive 
distributions" there should be no size restrictions.  It is what you 
decide as a build contributor. The contributors of the builds can do the 
build distributions as they see fit as long as the installation is easy 
and documented.  If there are some standards that someone thinks are 
appropriate in this regard they should speak out now about that issue so 
it is resolved prior to server installation.

If there is enough support in the way of build contributions then I 
would expect the server to be on line in a few weeks.  I would like to 
provide the contributors with direct access to the LAN (if they want) 
and definitely to the server.  Some parts of the LAN would be on line as 
close to 7x24 as I am able to manage. The Internet connection would be 
satellite and the physical location is a rural area in Alberta, Canada.  
It would be nice if someone could administrate this server remotely so 
that I do not have total control over it''s usage but that is not a key 
concern.  Eventually, we could get more bandwidth and an alternate 
control site in order to ensure continuity so if for any reason one site 
becomes unavailable the other would take over.  All these details have 
to be worked out once there appears to be enough build contributors.  I 
would suggest that your builds do not exceed the limitations of a DVD 
(approx. 4.7gig).  I will pop as many 200+ gig drives into the server as 
it will take and can extend this to network (NFS or otherwise) drives. 
 The server would have only 1 purpose and that is to serve these build 
distributions and associated information.

I would also like volunteers for remote web master for this proposed 
server -- in this case the web master would also be the remote 
administrator and do his or her best to ensure security and access, use 
and expansion of the server facility. Build contributors would work with 
this remote administrator(s) to arrange placement of their build 
distribution(s) onto the server and probably a web page associated with 
their build(s), one for every build. This web master can be located 
anywhere in the world as long as they know what they are doing. User 
usage issues that come out of this situation could be relayed to the 
development team after being checked by the Build Distribution 
Owner/Contributor if that is their decision. We take no responsibility 
for user problems and they will be properly advised on this before they 
download and must agree before download is permitted. I will fully 
cooperate with someone in this regard and the many details of server 
administration and installation will have to be worked out by us.  I 
would also suggest giving the Xen development team access rights to this 
server and significant say over related issues.

Thanks to all.  If this response continues then we have a PROJECT GO -- 
but not yet.

Thanks -- Ted



Antoine Nivard wrote:
> Ted Hilts a écrit :
>
>> I am still waiting for volunteers to freely contribute their Dom 0 
>> and DomU builds (with associated sources)  in a way suitable as an 
>> easily 
>
>
> For the French community, we will put some VM (domU) available:
> http://xenfr.org/tiki-index.php?page=T%C3%A9l%C3%A9chargement
>
> And we are looking for VM (domU) with this applications:
> * AlternC
> * Gforge
> * Plone
> * LVS
> * SambaOpenLDAP+ACL
> * Others?
>
> About the size of the VM (domU), we should provide images less than 
> 500 Mbytes?
>
> What do you think about that?
>
>
> regards,
>     Antoine N.
> webmaster of http://XENfr.org
> James done the same thing with: http://wiki.xensource.com/
> :)
>
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Hi all,

This effort is a great development, thank you all for the resources
you''ve put
into it so far.  Ian and I talked about the possibility of a repository of 
distributions around the Xen 1.2 timeframe but I never got time to make it 
happen.

One thing we did discuss at the time was the format of the distribution 
images: disk files are good for trying stuff out, since they''re easily 
configured.  However, simple tarballs of the filesystem also seemed like an 
attractive option: they don''t limit you to a given disk size or a
particular
filesystem and can be easily unpacked wherever you want.  This would make it 
simple to use NFS exports as root filesystems.

What do you guys think?  Maybe useful as an alternative format, alongside 
simple disk images?

Cheers,
Mark

On Sunday 03 April 2005 22:02, Ted Hilts wrote:
> Antoine
>
> That''s great and thank you but any size (even 2 gig or more) is
acceptable.
>
> I think in the interest of "excellence" and "comprehensive
> distributions" there should be no size restrictions.  It is what you
> decide as a build contributor. The contributors of the builds can do the
> build distributions as they see fit as long as the installation is easy
> and documented.  If there are some standards that someone thinks are
> appropriate in this regard they should speak out now about that issue so
> it is resolved prior to server installation.
>
> If there is enough support in the way of build contributions then I
> would expect the server to be on line in a few weeks.  I would like to
> provide the contributors with direct access to the LAN (if they want)
> and definitely to the server.  Some parts of the LAN would be on line as
> close to 7x24 as I am able to manage. The Internet connection would be
> satellite and the physical location is a rural area in Alberta, Canada.
> It would be nice if someone could administrate this server remotely so
> that I do not have total control over it''s usage but that is not a
key
> concern.  Eventually, we could get more bandwidth and an alternate
> control site in order to ensure continuity so if for any reason one site
> becomes unavailable the other would take over.  All these details have
> to be worked out once there appears to be enough build contributors.  I
> would suggest that your builds do not exceed the limitations of a DVD
> (approx. 4.7gig).  I will pop as many 200+ gig drives into the server as
> it will take and can extend this to network (NFS or otherwise) drives.
>  The server would have only 1 purpose and that is to serve these build
> distributions and associated information.
>
> I would also like volunteers for remote web master for this proposed
> server -- in this case the web master would also be the remote
> administrator and do his or her best to ensure security and access, use
> and expansion of the server facility. Build contributors would work with
> this remote administrator(s) to arrange placement of their build
> distribution(s) onto the server and probably a web page associated with
> their build(s), one for every build. This web master can be located
> anywhere in the world as long as they know what they are doing. User
> usage issues that come out of this situation could be relayed to the
> development team after being checked by the Build Distribution
> Owner/Contributor if that is their decision. We take no responsibility
> for user problems and they will be properly advised on this before they
> download and must agree before download is permitted. I will fully
> cooperate with someone in this regard and the many details of server
> administration and installation will have to be worked out by us.  I
> would also suggest giving the Xen development team access rights to this
> server and significant say over related issues.
>
> Thanks to all.  If this response continues then we have a PROJECT GO --
> but not yet.
>
> Thanks -- Ted
>
> Antoine Nivard wrote:
> > Ted Hilts a écrit :
> >> I am still waiting for volunteers to freely contribute their Dom 0
> >> and DomU builds (with associated sources)  in a way suitable as an
> >> easily
> >
> > For the French community, we will put some VM (domU) available:
> > http://xenfr.org/tiki-index.php?page=T%C3%A9l%C3%A9chargement
> >
> > And we are looking for VM (domU) with this applications:
> > * AlternC
> > * Gforge
> > * Plone
> > * LVS
> > * SambaOpenLDAP+ACL
> > * Others?
> >
> > About the size of the VM (domU), we should provide images less than
> > 500 Mbytes?
> >
> > What do you think about that?
> >
> >
> > regards,
> >     Antoine N.
> > webmaster of http://XENfr.org
> > James done the same thing with: http://wiki.xensource.com/
> >
> > :)
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On Apr 3, 2005 11:27 PM, Mark Williamson <mark.williamson@cl.cam.ac.uk>
wrote:
> One thing we did discuss at the time was the format of the distribution
> images: disk files are good for trying stuff out, since they''re
easily
> configured.  However, simple tarballs of the filesystem also seemed like an
> attractive option: they don''t limit you to a given disk size or a
particular
> filesystem and can be easily unpacked wherever you want.  This would make
it
> simple to use NFS exports as root filesystems.
> 
> What do you guys think?  Maybe useful as an alternative format, alongside
> simple disk images?
In fact, I would prefer tarball (compressed) files instead. As you
said, they are more flexible: you can dump them into an LVM volume or
a loopback-mounted file.

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I agree we should make them available in as many formats as possible.

Although a simple
# dd if=image.img of=/dev/lvm/mysexyDomU
works like a charm for me.  But I get the point, also when I come to
think about it.. tarballs are more portable than anything.

I''ll get it done...

-soffi-



On Apr 3, 2005 10:09 PM, Felipe Alfaro Solana <felipe.alfaro@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2005 11:27 PM, Mark Williamson
<mark.williamson@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> > One thing we did discuss at the time was the format of the
distribution
> > images: disk files are good for trying stuff out, since
they''re easily
> > configured.  However, simple tarballs of the filesystem also seemed
like an
> > attractive option: they don''t limit you to a given disk size
or a particular
> > filesystem and can be easily unpacked wherever you want.  This would
make it
> > simple to use NFS exports as root filesystems.
> >
> > What do you guys think?  Maybe useful as an alternative format,
alongside
> > simple disk images?
> 
> In fact, I would prefer tarball (compressed) files instead. As you
> said, they are more flexible: you can dump them into an LVM volume or
> a loopback-mounted file.
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Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2005 11:27 PM, Mark Williamson
<mark.williamson@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>>One thing we did discuss at the time was the format of the distribution
>>images: disk files are good for trying stuff out, since they''re
easily
>>configured.  However, simple tarballs of the filesystem also seemed like
an
>>attractive option: they don''t limit you to a given disk size or
a particular
>>filesystem and can be easily unpacked wherever you want.  This would
make it
>>simple to use NFS exports as root filesystems.
>>
>>What do you guys think?  Maybe useful as an alternative format,
alongside
>>simple disk images?
Hi
I can contribute a CentOS3.4 image and FC4t1 (domU?) basically a rootfs 
"core" install with network, openssh, yum, wget and httpd.
I''ll get them
uploaded tomorrow. 2GB compresses to around 81MB (.bz2). Is there a 
preferred "image" configuration? All I''ve added is a basic
/etc/fstab,
and the RH networking scripts to get started, but they work and I''m 
using them.

I noticed the UML community provide disc images on their site. I was 
hoping to "borrow" one to get started with Xen but the OS versions
seem
a little out of date now.

-- 
Best regards

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Centos 3.4 would be great! We already have a FC4test1 image.  In my
previous post I stated that I will be providing raw images and
tarballs so you can easily tar xfj them to a larger raw image, logical
volume, disk partition, iscsi target or whatever.

Peace and love,

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> I can contribute a CentOS3.4 image and FC4t1 (domU?) basically a rootfs
> "core" install with network, openssh, yum, wget and httpd.
I''ll get them
> uploaded tomorrow. 2GB compresses to around 81MB (.bz2). Is there a
> preferred "image" configuration? All I''ve added is a
basic /etc/fstab,
> and the RH networking scripts to get started, but they work and
I''m
> using them.
That''d be great!  One of the guys on this list may be able to provide
hosting
- it''d be good to have all the images on one site, I guess.

If a domain is configured to work "out of the box" in terms of fstab
settings,
as you have done then it''s even better!

Regarding network settings to use, etc...  not sure what''s best.  I
guess not
hard-coding network settings might be useful, allowing users to start off by 
setting these options in the domain configuration file.
> I noticed the UML community provide disc images on their site. I was
> hoping to "borrow" one to get started with Xen but the OS
versions seem
> a little out of date now.
I had the same thought :-)  I guess maybe they haven''t been updated for
a
while.  You may find something useful in the community images on the Bochs 
(http://bochs.sf.net) website, although they were a little out of date last 
time I checked.  The QEmu-oriented FreeOSZoo (http://www.freeoszoo.com) 
provides a range of more up-to-date images.

Cheers,
Mark

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I''ve been thinking off and on about posting guest images (and have
already
from time to time) and I''m writing to offer some personal bandwidth I
have;
either static (throttled) HTTP/FTP or maybe a bittorrent permanently peered
w/ Ted''s to-be server?  I have around 30G of space for such a project
(but
no inclination to run frequent backups on it).

Any way about it, we will contribute images to the decided on repository,
this is a great idea.   I have some base Debian and Gentoo images and we
will probably post some specialized Globus/Xen images soon.

Tim

On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 01:29:07 +0000
Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson <soffanias@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ted, glad you are willing to help.
> 
> The thing is... I think the Xen developers would like to do more
> "developing" instead of hacking some distributions to boot as
domU...
> And I don''t consider my work development ;)
> 
> I''m building these images as we speak, and ''aq''
is letting me download
> his debian and ubuntu images now.
> 
> Hosting would be great.. since I''m in ICELAND I don''t
have much
> bandwidth available.
> 
> I''m using the rest of the weekend trying these images out and
> hopefully get a Mandrake image going and I might take a pass at a SuSE
> image.
> 
> later
> 
> -soffi-
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2005 12:30 AM, Ted Hilts <thilts@help-for-you.com> wrote:
> >  Kristinn
> >  
> >  If I understand you, you seem to be saying that for various
distributions
> > like Mandrake, Fedora Core, Gentoo, SuSE, etc., you are willing to
produce
> > Xen-based (Dom 0) linux base systems and put them on line???
> >  
> >  I was going to ask the developers of Xen to consider this as a facet
of
> > their operation but I don''t think their mandate allows them
to do this or
> > they don''t see doing this directly in line with what they are
doing.  They
> > will be reading this so they can correct me if I am mistaken. So I
have
> > hesitated in asking.  But there is no reason why a group of us cannot
set up
> > our own facility working cooperatively with Xen developers and users. 
We
> > are talking user issues here not development issues.  I would also we
> > interested in putting these systems onto DVDs in a manner that would
> > facilitate their installation on other computers.
> >  
> >  If you are willing to build and test these Xen-based (Dom 0) linux
core
> > systems I will make provision for hosting them.  I am currently in the
> > process of establishing a sattelite connection between my LAN and the
> > Internet with a static IP address therefore download and upload
activities
> > would be fast. I could dedicate a machine as the server. There would
be tons
> > of hard drive storage available. But the details we could work out. 
But we
> > would have to also define how this facility would be set up for access
but
> > we can do this off-list because it does not bear directly on the Xen
> > development or user list mandates as near as I can tell.  If we do
this I
> > would like to stress that we should have someone on the Xen
development
> > group voluntarily watch over and strongly influence our activities.
> >  
> >  What do you think???
> >  
> >  Thanks, Ted
> >  
> >  
> >  Kristinn Soffanias Runarsson wrote:
> >  
> >  I''m build images for Fedora Core 3 and Centos 4 right now...
I''ll make
> > them available online as soon as they are ready... would you like to
> > see some other OS''s ?
> > 
> > peace and love,
> > -soffi-
> > 
> > 
> > On Apr 2, 2005 3:09 PM, aq <aquynh@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  
> >  
> >  hello,
> > 
> > I wonder if anybody out here is providing a filesystem image (rootfs)
> > of Fedora Core for Xen, so others can download and use it as domU?
> > 
> > In the user manual, there is a short guide for the newbie to use Xen
> > with ttylinux, and I think it would be very nice if somebody could
> > provides with other generic rootfs, like Fedora Core, Debian,
> > Slackware,..., so everybody wants to try Xen can easily take the first
> > steps.
> > 
> > Thank you a lot,
> > aq
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005, Ted Hilts wrote:
> Thank you for your "two cents worth" and there is merit it what
you say
> but there are some aspects you appear to miss.
Your proposal looks fun, but I can''t quite seem to
figure out which of these tasks you''re volunteering for.

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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Paul Lee wrote:
> I can contribute a CentOS3.4 image and FC4t1 (domU?) basically a rootfs 
> "core" install with network, openssh, yum, wget and httpd.
I''ll get them
> uploaded tomorrow.
This is awesome news.
> All I''ve added is a basic /etc/fstab, and the RH networking
scripts to
> get started, but they work and I''m using them.
I wonder if it would make sense to have just these as a tarball
(or RPM?), so people could install the bulk of the RPMs using yum
(following http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstart)
and just unpacking your configuration package on top ?

It would make it a little bit easier to try out other Fedora
versions, without needing to download a whole new disk image
from your site - should save some bandwidth.

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Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Paul Lee wrote:
> 
> 
>>I can contribute a CentOS3.4 image and FC4t1 (domU?) basically a rootfs 
>>"core" install with network, openssh, yum, wget and httpd.
I''ll get them
>>uploaded tomorrow.
> 
> 
> This is awesome news.
> 
> 
>>All I''ve added is a basic /etc/fstab, and the RH networking
scripts to
>>get started, but they work and I''m using them.
> 
> 
> I wonder if it would make sense to have just these as a tarball
> (or RPM?), so people could install the bulk of the RPMs using yum
> (following http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXenQuickstart)
> and just unpacking your configuration package on top ?
Good idea. Following that document is exactly how I created a Centos 
image except I found a `Core` install was less bothersome than a `Base` 
install and once a core install has been carried out, just add yum, ssh 
etc to make the image more useable once booted.

There were a few "gotcha''s" with FC4test1 IIRC correctly.
Mainly the
passwd and  adduser commands which are fairly vital ;o) which I
"think"
was down to SELinux and security contexts. Setting permissive mode 
(/usr/sbin/setenforce 0) and/or relabling seemed to provide a fix.

I''m not sure if you can present kernel arguments in the xen config file
at vm boot as you can with grub.
> It would make it a little bit easier to try out other Fedora
> versions, without needing to download a whole new disk image
> from your site - should save some bandwidth.
> 
FWIW I think less techie users would prefer something graphical and the 
ability to create working domU images from install discs either on a 
CD-ROM or .iso''s mounted as a loopback device. Something similar to 
UMLbuilder for RPM based distributions.

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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Paul Lee wrote:
> FWIW I think less techie users would prefer something graphical and the 
> ability to create working domU images from install discs either on a 
> CD-ROM or .iso''s mounted as a loopback device. Something similar
to
> UMLbuilder for RPM based distributions.
We''re working on it.  Jeremy already has a working prototype
for a bootloader, which allows kernel and initrd to live
inside the xenU filesystem, meaning you can configure a xenU
guest all from the inside.

A next step would be a method for device discovery in
xenolinux, so the installer could run inside a virtual
host...

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On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 14:44, Rik van Riel wrote:
> We''re working on it.  Jeremy already has a working prototype
> for a bootloader, which allows kernel and initrd to live
> inside the xenU filesystem, meaning you can configure a xenU
> guest all from the inside.
Cool!

Does the bootloader run in dom0 or domU (is it dom0 reading domU''s hard
disk or is domU kexec()''ing a new kernel)?

Regards,
> A next step would be a method for device discovery in
> xenolinux, so the installer could run inside a virtual
> host...
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On Apr 5, 2005 4:44 AM, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Paul Lee wrote:
> 
> > FWIW I think less techie users would prefer something graphical and
the
> > ability to create working domU images from install discs either on a
> > CD-ROM or .iso''s mounted as a loopback device. Something
similar to
> > UMLbuilder for RPM based distributions.
> 
> We''re working on it.  Jeremy already has a working prototype
> for a bootloader, which allows kernel and initrd to live
> inside the xenU filesystem, meaning you can configure a xenU
> guest all from the inside.
yes, i think the idea of allowing users from inside domU to be able to
reconfigure their kernel is great addition to Xen.

cannot wait to try this out ;-)

regards,
aq

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