Since many of us will be attending the Xen mini-summit at the Ottawa Linux Symposium later this month, I thought it might be good to start a discussion about "opportunities" at OLS. Many Xen developers are also Linux developers but there are many who are not. And there are far more Linux developers than Xen developers. And, for many of those Linux developers, their primary exposure to virtualization technologies is either vague press reports or, perhaps, some limited knowledge of UML (user mode linux). I had the following email exchange over the weekend (djm is me, xxx is an OLS person who will remain nameless): djm>> I like how all the virtualization topics are grouped together in djm>> in one day and in the big room. xxx> xxx> That was the goal, hopefully we can lock them all away until xxx> they agree to a single solution. :) Though there is a smiley face, it''s important for all us Xen developers to recognize that the Linux community needs to be educated about virtualization. Like xxx, many don''t know or care about the differences between Xen and UML and VTx and Virtual Iron and sHype. Though many will attend some of Friday''s virtualization talks, many will not (there are three simultaneous tracks) and many will attend one and not all, thus missing a chance to compare and contrast the different virtualization technologies. Anyway, I just wanted to point out that OLS is an excellent chance for educating the Linux community. Let''s all us Xen developers attending OLS make a commitment to take time with one or more Linux-but-not-Xen developers to explain what virtualization is all about (and, of course, why Xen is the best solution)! Comments and feedback (and related topics) welcome! Dan P.S. My response to xxx was: djm> Unlikely... that''s like suggesting that a single filesystem djm> is all that Linux needs so get rid of the rest. :-) Comments on a better reply (for possible repartee at OLS) are very welcome. _______________________________________________ Xen-devel mailing list Xen-devel@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-devel
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Magenheimer, Dan (HP Labs Fort Collins) wrote:> xxx> That was the goal, hopefully we can lock them all away until > xxx> they agree to a single solution. :)Single solution is a bit strong, but I would like to use some of the time on friday to think about places where we could share code between the different virtualization solutions, or even between virtualization and other projects... -- The Theory of Escalating Commitment: "The cost of continuing mistakes is borne by others, while the cost of admitting mistakes is borne by yourself." -- Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Laureate in Economics _______________________________________________ Xen-devel mailing list Xen-devel@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-devel
Magenheimer, Dan (HP Labs Fort Collins) (dan.magenheimer@hp.com) wrote:> Since many of us will be attending the Xen mini-summit at > the Ottawa Linux Symposium later this month, I thought it > might be good to start a discussion about "opportunities" > at OLS. Many Xen developers are also Linux developers but > there are many who are not. And there are far more Linux > developers than Xen developers. And, for many of those Linux > developers, their primary exposure to virtualization > technologies is either vague press reports or, perhaps, > some limited knowledge of UML (user mode linux). > > I had the following email exchange over the weekend (djm > is me, xxx is an OLS person who will remain nameless): > > djm>> I like how all the virtualization topics are grouped together in > djm>> in one day and in the big room. > xxx> > xxx> That was the goal, hopefully we can lock them all away until > xxx> they agree to a single solution. :) > > Though there is a smiley face, it''s important for all us > Xen developers to recognize that the Linux community needs > to be educated about virtualization. Like xxx, many don''t > know or care about the differences between Xen and UML and VTx > and Virtual Iron and sHype. Though many will attend some > of Friday''s virtualization talks, many will not (there are > three simultaneous tracks) and many will attend one and > not all, thus missing a chance to compare and contrast > the different virtualization technologies. > > Anyway, I just wanted to point out that OLS is an excellent > chance for educating the Linux community. Let''s all us > Xen developers attending OLS make a commitment to take time > with one or more Linux-but-not-Xen developers to explain > what virtualization is all about (and, of course, why > Xen is the best solution)!Hi, I think it is too late, but I think one good place to educated, as you say on virtualization, would have been RMLL (Rencontres Mondiales des Logiciels Libres) in France. I say this about the fact: http://rmll2005.u-bourgogne.fr/sections/conference/noyau_et_systeme But it seems noone could talk about Xen there. I am sad to have register this list too late to give this information. - Christophe _______________________________________________ Xen-devel mailing list Xen-devel@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-devel