Installing MinGW32 together with msys-1.* and msysDTK was a breeze. I started installing lccwin32, only to find problems with the library compilation in the latter part of installation, with it hanging once it got to commandline.txt fdlibm.lib lcccrt0.obj libcrt0s.obj stdlib.idx complex.lib gdbmdll.lib lcccrt0s.obj libml.lib tcconio.lib daguid.lib gdbm.lib lcc.lib regexp.lib UUID.LIB dx8math.lib glaux.lib libc.lib scrnsave.lib weditres.lib dxguid.lib iostream.lib libcrt0.obj shell32.lib wizard/ until I stopped it. Consequently it hung on installing Sleepycat's db. I'll erase the installation and try again, this time saving the error messages. Wesley Parish PS But wow, it felt good, watching MinGW32 install _without_ a hitch! Well done! -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish ----- Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.