First of all, I'm using WinXP and love vorbis! :-) Since I just joined the mailing list, I figured I would answer the Winamp question. Winamp has different EQ algorithms - they have a "fast layer 2/3 EQ" option for mp3s, and they have a PCM EQ for all other formats (wma, ogg, etc.). While the mp3 EQ sounds ok, the PCM EQ (which gets applied to ogg files) is absolutely horrible. I have requested that Winamp fix this for Winamp3 in their forums.... I recommend using Media Jukebox - its EQ sounds really good. Sonique is ok too. Here's the main reason for my post: I have figured out how to use Audiograbber and oggenc RC3 to get fully tagged ogg files. However, the normalizing options are not advanced enough for me - I use sound forge to normalize to an RMS value. This is fine, but adding that extra process in the loop means that I can't tag the ogg files automatically from the sound forge output wav files. Of course I could do this by hand, but considering I'm doing 2000+ songs, this simply isn't an option. I was wondering if there was a way for me to use oggenc to read the filename of the input wav file and tag the outputted ogg file automatically. For example, my filename would be something like "Artist_Album_TrackNumber_Title.wav" and I would like to be able to use a frontend (such as Audiograbber) to do the commandline instructions for me so I can do a whole bunch in a batch at a single time. I tried the "-n" option but perhaps that is not its purpose - I don't know. Does anyone know how I can do this? TIA! --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
> For example, my filename would be something like > "Artist_Album_TrackNumber_Title.wav" and I would like to be able to use a > frontend (such as Audiograbber) to do the commandline instructions for me so > I can do a whole bunch in a batch at a single time. I tried the "-n" option > but perhaps that is not its purpose - I don't know.I wrote a python script to do this for mine at one point, and someone else posted a whole suite of python tools to do similar things (i think they were even for windows). You can probably do it with .bat files as well. Search the archives for the python stuff, or maybe the author will refresh our memories :) jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Blue Jay" <tribe0125@hotmail.com> To: "XIPH Vorbis" <vorbis@xiph.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: [vorbis] RC3 Tagging/Encoding and Winamp answer <p>> First of all, I'm using WinXP and love vorbis! :-)> > Since I just joined the mailing list, I figured I would answer the Winamp > question. Winamp has different EQ algorithms - they have a "fast layer2/3> EQ" option for mp3s, and they have a PCM EQ for all other formats (wma,ogg,> etc.). While the mp3 EQ sounds ok, the PCM EQ (which gets applied to ogg > files) is absolutely horrible. I have requested that Winamp fix this for > Winamp3 in their forums.... I recommend using Media Jukebox - its EQsounds> really good. Sonique is ok too. > > Here's the main reason for my post: I have figured out how to use > Audiograbber and oggenc RC3 to get fully tagged ogg files. However, the > normalizing options are not advanced enough for me - I use sound forge to > normalize to an RMS value. This is fine, but adding that extra process in > the loop means that I can't tag the ogg files automatically from the sound > forge output wav files. Of course I could do this by hand, butconsidering> I'm doing 2000+ songs, this simply isn't an option. I was wondering if > there was a way for me to use oggenc to read the filename of the input wav > file and tag the outputted ogg file automatically. > > For example, my filename would be something like > "Artist_Album_TrackNumber_Title.wav" and I would like to be able to use a > frontend (such as Audiograbber) to do the commandline instructions for meso> I can do a whole bunch in a batch at a single time. I tried the "-n"option> but perhaps that is not its purpose - I don't know. > > Does anyone know how I can do this? TIA!There are no tools for doing this yet. I'm working on a little Python script that will solve this problem. I rip whole CDs to single WAV files in bulk with EAC. I use SoundForge to normalize the entire CD, and then use Wave Repair to split it into individual tracks. \Artist - Album\Tracknumber - Artist - Title.wav After the fact, I encode to Ogg FLAC and tag the files. Unfortunately, there's no equivalent to the nigh-magical "Tag & Rename" in the world of Ogg: http://www.softpointer.com/images/TRFull.gif http://www.softpointer.com/tr.htm <p><p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Blue Jay <tribe0125@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
: Here's the main reason for my post: I have figured out how to use
: Audiograbber and oggenc RC3 to get fully tagged ogg files. However, the
: normalizing options are not advanced enough for me - I use sound forge to
: normalize to an RMS value.
Seeing as Sound Forge's "Normalize to RMS" is really a
limiter/compressor,
I wouldn't trust a program like Audiograbber to do it well even if they
did offer it.
: I was wondering if
: there was a way for me to use oggenc to read the filename of the input wav
: file and tag the outputted ogg file automatically.
You may need a fancy wrapper script for this. There are ports of Perl to
Windows; anybody care to port a script? Shouldn't require much
modification in XP (mainly wildcard support).
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At 13:45 02-01-2002 -0500, you wrote:>Here's the main reason for my post: I have figured out how to use >Audiograbber and oggenc RC3 to get fully tagged ogg files. However, the >normalizing options are not advanced enough for me - I use sound forge to >normalize to an RMS value. This is fine, but adding that extra process in >the loop means that I can't tag the ogg files automatically from the sound >forge output wav files. Of course I could do this by hand, but considering >I'm doing 2000+ songs, this simply isn't an option. I was wondering if >there was a way for me to use oggenc to read the filename of the input wav >file and tag the outputted ogg file automatically. > >For example, my filename would be something like >"Artist_Album_TrackNumber_Title.wav" and I would like to be able to use a >frontend (such as Audiograbber) to do the commandline instructions for me so >I can do a whole bunch in a batch at a single time. I tried the "-n" option >but perhaps that is not its purpose - I don't know. > >Does anyone know how I can do this? TIA!You could use this program I made. It's basically crap but it'll do for me. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dOgger102.ZIP Type: application/zip Size: 16342 bytes Desc: dOgger102.ZIP Url : http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/vorbis/attachments/20020103/a878e188/dOgger102.zip
> Here's the main reason for my post: I have figured out how to use > Audiograbber and oggenc RC3 to get fully tagged ogg files. However, the > normalizing options are not advanced enough for me - I use sound forge to > normalize to an RMS value.RMS still doesn't get 'perceived volume' even. There's an algorithm called ReplayGain (www.replaygain.org) that normalizes perceived volume and prevents output clipping (a scourge of all lossy codecs). It's not an 'official' part of Vorbis, at least not yet, but I think that at minimum we're going to push adoption of this particular technique, or something alot like it. It solves a number of common problems, makes people happy, is simple to implement and all the details are public. Monty --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 02 January 2002 19:45, you wrote:> For example, my filename would be something like > "Artist_Album_TrackNumber_Title.wav" and I would like to be able to > use a frontend (such as Audiograbber) to do the commandline > instructions for me so I can do a whole bunch in a batch at a > single time. I tried the "-n" option but perhaps that is not its > purpose - I don't know. > > Does anyone know how I can do this? TIA!It's not _exactly_ what you're asking for but if you have an MP3 or Ogg Vorbis file that is already encoded you can use mp3manage (http://mp3manage.sourceforge.net) to read the artist / title / album / track information from the filename and put it into the tags. I wrote it myself and it's really quite powerful by now and I use it to go over all of my new music files regularly. - -- - -M - ------- Magnus von Koeller <magnus@vonkoeller.de> ------ Georg-Westermann-Allee 76 / 38104 Braunschweig / Germany Phone: +49-531-2094886 Mobile: +49-179-4562940 lp1 on fire (One of the more obfuscated kernel messages) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PVl7UIvM6e6BgFARAuFWAKDm62CEdmGUdgANcvB5nnTuwxbRaACgpSH+ hfakx/5he/kzw+plOBzHIa0=f0LC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.