I have need to make an .ogv file available on IE6. I am using cortado_latest.jar to make this happen. Hovering over the playing video causes the status bar to appear as expected. In the status bar the play button, pause button, and stop button all work as expected. However the slider has no effect. I have examined and tried several of the parameters but see nothing that would make the slider in the bar work. When using Firefox to view the same file the slider works. Any suggestions? --Greg Hendley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/attachments/20101012/8639305d/attachment.htm
On 10/12/2010 08:47 PM, Greg Hendley wrote:> I have need to make an .ogv file available on IE6. I am using > cortado_latest.jar to make this happen. Hovering over the playing video > causes the status bar to appear as expected. In the status bar the play > button, pause button, and stop button all work as expected. However the > slider has no effect. I have examined and tried several of the > parameters but see nothing that would make the slider in the bar work. > When using Firefox to view the same file the slider works. > > Any suggestions?That's quite a bug. Can you tell us what versions of the Java Plugin (JVM) you are using in each browser? IMHO it's much more likely to be due to different JVM versions than different browsers. Cortado is supposed to work across essentially all JVMs, so it would be good for us to know which version has a problem. --Ben -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/attachments/20101012/5447446a/attachment.pgp
Hi , if I dare to go a bit off-topic , I would say my thoughts about current solutions for theora playing in IE. Currently apart from IE and safari 100% of the browsers can read OGV. Those 2 browsers represent 50% on my websites. Safari is a special case. Quicktime always works and java is preinstalled on MAC. I usually propose to install the QT Xiph plugins. IE is difffent, installed windows plugins can differ over the visitors, few years ago Java was preinstalled in most cases and people really need it. Now I see 20% of my visitors that don't have java installed and launching cortado will ask them to go througha 15 MB download and at least 30 seconds install just to play a Video. But a new solution arised few months ago : Chrome Frame. By triggering through IE User agent detection the installation of chrome frame can start automaticthis ally or you can use the offline installer. The bad news is that it's even Bigger than Java installer : 20MB :-( But after this installation, Your website ( and most big google websites ) appear as fast as in Chrome. I do think if you have issue with Java, that chrome frame is a solution to explore. Cheers 2010/10/13 Greg Hendley <ghendley at us.ibm.com>> I have need to make an .ogv file available on IE6. I am using > cortado_latest.jar to make this happen. Hovering over the playing video > causes the status bar to appear as expected. In the status bar the play > button, pause button, and stop button all work as expected. However the > slider has no effect. I have examined and tried several of the parameters > but see nothing that would make the slider in the bar work. When using > Firefox to view the same file the slider works. > > Any suggestions? > > --Greg Hendley > _______________________________________________ > theora mailing list > theora at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/theora > >-- <-------------------------------------------------------> http://millebabords.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/attachments/20101014/125aaa30/attachment.htm
ogg.k.ogg.k at googlemail.com
2010-Oct-14 20:58 UTC
[theora] Cortado status controls in IE6
> However the > slider has no effect.If you look at the Java console while you do this, are there errors/exceptions, and a stack trace for those ?
Thanks for asking. I should have thought to include this in my first post.
None of the lines began with [ERROR].
Here is one interesting warning (and preceding two lines)
[INFO] build info: Built on 2010-03-19 18:48:28 GMT (version 0.6.0) in
stripped mode.
[INFO] revision: $Revision$
[WARN] Found MS JVM, disable seeking.
And here is a stack trace with surrounding lines:
[INFO] Application starting
[WARN] Found MS JVM, work around inputStream EOS bugs.
[INFO] create element: Element: [httpsrc]
com.ms.security.SecurityExceptionEx[com/fluendo/player/g.h]: Unable to
access system property: http.agent
at com/ms/security/permissions/PropertyPermission.check
at com/ms/security/PolicyEngine.shallowCheck
at com/ms/security/PolicyEngine.checkCallersPermission
at com/ms/security/StandardSecurityManager.chk
at com/ms/security/StandardSecurityManager.checkPropertyAccess
at java/lang/System.getProperty
at com/fluendo/player/g.h
at com/fluendo/player/g.a
at com/fluendo/c/t.b
at com/fluendo/c/t.k
at com/fluendo/player/Cortado.start
at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.securedCall0
at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.securedCall
at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.processSentEvent
at com/ms/applet/AppletPanel.run
at java/lang/Thread.run
[INFO] setting User-Agent Cortado/0.6.0 Microsoft/1.1.4 (Windows NT 5.1)
[INFO] create element: Element: [audiosink]
--Greg Hendley
From: "ogg.k.ogg.k at googlemail.com" <ogg.k.ogg.k at
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To: Greg Hendley/Raleigh/IBM at IBMUS
Cc: theora at xiph.org
Date: 10/14/2010 05:02 PM
Subject: Re: [theora] Cortado status controls in IE6
> However the
> slider has no effect.
If you look at the Java console while you do this, are there
errors/exceptions, and a stack trace for those ?
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hello all - i wish to use theora for voice-audio website playback. ideally i would be using speex but from what i can tell, i am unable to use theora in html5 to play back speex files. i know speex can be done with flash, but i want to avoid using flash. i have about 5,000 separate but SHORT audio voice files (most are under 5 seconds). i have selected ogg-vorbis 32kbps 22,050 mono as my settings. does anybody have any opinions on this? any better ideas? note - i need to avoid mp3 for this project. thanks, mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/attachments/20101019/556682a5/attachment.htm
(I'm including the list in my reply to you.) Just to clarify, Theora is a video format. Speex is an audio format. There is no obligation in either format definition to support the decoding of the other (i.e., a Theora decoder doesn't have to support Speex). One application that does support that combination is VLC Media Player, which works across Windows, Mac, & GNU/Linux. Additionally, it is unfortunate that, while many browsers support doing so, there is no mandatory, royalty-free format specified by HTML5 for multimedia. So we have the situation where Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome, & Opera all support Ogg Theora + Vorbis natively, Apple Safari does not. Microsoft Internet Explorer also has no plans to support Ogg formats natively. Both Safari & IE can be made to support them, however, but require additional software to enable such support. On 10/19/2010 11:52 PM, mark wrote:> > hi - > > thank you for taking the time to answer my question. > > i just assumed that speex would be the best way to go because of the > ultra-small size. and since theora and speex are on the same website > i just incorrectly assumed that theora and speex are part of the same > group, and that perhaps theora would play speex. > > it appears that the html5 <audio> tag also uses theora. or am i wrong > there? > > thanks, > mark > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Basil Mohamed Gohar <abu_hurayrah at hidayahonline.org> > *To:* Mark Edwards <mark at EdwardsMark.com> > *Cc:* Mark Edwards <mark_f_edwards at yahoo.com>; theora at xiph.org > *Sent:* Tue, October 19, 2010 6:53:27 PM > *Subject:* Re: [theora] using theora for voice-audio playback > > On 10/19/2010 09:36 PM, Mark Edwards wrote: >> hello all - >> >> i wish to use theora for voice-audio website playback. >> >> ideally i would be using speex but from what i can tell, i am unable >> to use theora in html5 to play back speex files. i know speex can be >> done with flash, but i want to avoid using flash. >> >> >> i have about 5,000 separate but SHORT audio voice files (most are >> under 5 seconds). i have selected ogg-vorbis 32kbps 22,050 mono as >> my settings. >> >> does anybody have any opinions on this? any better ideas? note - i >> need to avoid mp3 for this project. >> >> thanks, >> mark >> > Mark, > > Theora is a video format. I think you mean Ogg, which is a container > format, and it is most commonly used for the popular Vorbis audio format. > > While Ogg can be used with Speex, if you are aiming for small > sized-files and low bitrates, it's more efficient to use the plain > default container that Speex uses. However, neither Speex nor its > native format are supported by any current browsers, to my > recollection. You will probably need a plug-in to get Speex playback > in the browser. > > However, since your files are already in low-bitrate Ogg Vorbis files, > and these are already supported in most browsers, I wonder why you > need to go to Speex at all? Do you have any special reason to do so?-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/attachments/20101020/05f7f79d/attachment.htm
> i wish to use theora for voice-audio website playbackTheora is a video codec, see above> html5 to play back speex files. i know speex > can be done with flash, but i want to avoid using flash > i have about 5,000 separate but SHORT audio voice files (most are under 5 > seconds). i have selected ogg-vorbis 32kbps 22,050 mono as my settingsWhy not use them "as-is" ?> does anybody have any opinions on this? any better ideas? > note - i need to avoid mp3 for this project.Upload the OGG Vorbis files (you can experiment with low bitrates, and Xiph LibVorbis vs AotuvVorbis encoder). On every page supposed to play sound add "Sound not playing? Get latest Firefox or Opera browser or download the file in OGG Vorbis format and play in in your audio player" with download link. -- ~~~ wow ~~~
hello all - thank you to everybody who helped me! it appears there is no way to get speex working over the internet the way theora-ogg and flash-mp3 works without resorting to some shockwave conversion. i did see the moodle speex option but i was hoping for a more stand-alone solution. one more question - when I use the <audio /> tag in firefox, am I using theora or some other native firefox player? since cortado has an audio-only option, i thought that maybe we we were using theora "audio-only" in the native <audio /> html5 firefox. thank you, mark edwards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/attachments/20101024/f669f9d5/attachment.htm