Speex dev - Sep 2010 - [SPAM] [BombData][alltestmode] Re: [SPAM] [BombData][alltestmode] Using Speex Echo Canceller

Hi Anton

Thanks for the info...

What if I use this function do I still need to sync the playback and
capture?
Assuming that the captured voice (*rec) already contains the echo which I
need to cancel out...
--------------------------------
void speex_echo_capture (SpeexEchoState *st, const spx_int16_t *rec,
spx_int16_t *out)

Parameters:
        st     Echo canceller state
        rec     signal from the microphone (near end + far end echo)
        out     Returns near-end signal with echo removed
----------------------------------

thanks & regards,
Chris Adoremos

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Anton A. Shpakovsky <saa at
tomsksoft.com>wrote:
> Hi
>
>
>
> Yes, it's absolutely unnecessary to use speex codec. You can encode the
> echo cancelled auido data with any codec you want.
>
> The Echo Canncelation API is here -
>
http://www.speex.org/docs/api/speex-api-reference/group__SpeexEchoState.html
>
> I would advice you to look at *speex_echo_cancellation** *function but you
> will have to sync playback and capture streams by yourself.
>
>
>
> I've used GSM, iLBC and Speex codecs with Speex AEC and it works fine.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Anton A. Shpakovsky
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* speex-dev-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:speex-dev-bounces at
xiph.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Christopher Adoremos
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:39 PM
> *To:* speex-dev at xiph.org
> *Cc:* jean-marc.valin at usherbrooke.ca
> *Subject:* [SPAM] [BombData][alltestmode] [Speex-dev] Using Speex Echo
> Canceller
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Is it possible to use only the speex echo cancellation module w/o using the
> speex codec?
>
>
>
> Here's the scenario:
>
> 1. I have my voice recorded in PCM audio file format
>
> 2. I want to cleanup the recorded voice by removing any echo included in
> the audio file/buffer
>
> 3. can I just use the ff APIs?
>
>    - SpeexEchoState* speex_echo_state_init()
>
>    - int speex_echo_ctl()
>
>    - void speex_echo_capture()
>
> 4. then, will it be possible to encode the output buffer from
> speex_echo_capture() to any codec?
>
>     Like G711? GSM? etc....
>
>
>
> I'm quite new to audio format concepts/development, so if you have any
> ideas your advice is highly appreciated..
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Chris A
>
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Hi

 

So in your case if you don't want to use speex_echo_cancellation than
you should do next way:

 

Save the playback frames (clean echo) within separate playback thread
with speex_echo_playback func.

Then use speex_echo_capture - it will remove the clean echo frame (saved
with speex_echo_playback func) from

const spx_int16_t *rec buffer (saved with speex_echo_capture) and you
will get clean frame in "out" buffer.

 

The sync is very important - because speex_echo_capture won't be able to
remove clean echo frame that you didn't provide with
speex_echo_playback.

 

I hope I didn't messed up anything :)

 

Best Regards,

Anton A. Shpakovsky

 

 

From: Christopher Adoremos [mailto:chrisadoremos at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 11:52 AM
To: Anton A. Shpakovsky
Cc: speex-dev at xiph.org
Subject: [SPAM] [BombData][alltestmode] Re: [SPAM]
[BombData][alltestmode] [Speex-dev] Using Speex Echo Canceller

 

Hi Anton

Thanks for the info...

What if I use this function do I still need to sync the playback and
capture?
Assuming that the captured voice (*rec) already contains the echo which
I need to cancel out...
--------------------------------
void speex_echo_capture (SpeexEchoState *st, const spx_int16_t *rec,
spx_int16_t *out)

Parameters:
        st     Echo canceller state
        rec     signal from the microphone (near end + far end echo)
        out     Returns near-end signal with echo removed
----------------------------------   

thanks & regards,
Chris Adoremos

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Anton A. Shpakovsky <saa at
tomsksoft.com>
wrote:

Hi

 

Yes, it's absolutely unnecessary to use speex codec. You can encode the
echo cancelled auido data with any codec you want.

The Echo Canncelation API is here -
http://www.speex.org/docs/api/speex-api-reference/group__SpeexEchoState.
html

I would advice you to look at speex_echo_cancellation function but you
will have to sync playback and capture streams by yourself.

 

I've used GSM, iLBC and Speex codecs with Speex AEC and it works fine.

 

Best Regards,

Anton A. Shpakovsky

 

 

From: speex-dev-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:speex-dev-bounces at xiph.org] On
Behalf Of Christopher Adoremos
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:39 PM
To: speex-dev at xiph.org
Cc: jean-marc.valin at usherbrooke.ca
Subject: [SPAM] [BombData][alltestmode] [Speex-dev] Using Speex Echo
Canceller

 

Hi

 

Is it possible to use only the speex echo cancellation module w/o using
the speex codec?

 

Here's the scenario:

1. I have my voice recorded in PCM audio file format

2. I want to cleanup the recorded voice by removing any echo included in
the audio file/buffer

3. can I just use the ff APIs?

   - SpeexEchoState* speex_echo_state_init()

   - int speex_echo_ctl()

   - void speex_echo_capture()

4. then, will it be possible to encode the output buffer from
speex_echo_capture() to any codec?

    Like G711? GSM? etc....

 

I'm quite new to audio format concepts/development, so if you have any
ideas your advice is highly appreciated..

 

Thanks in advance

Chris A

 

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Hi Anton

Thanks again for the tips... its worth a try... =)

I know now how to proceed...

1. From playback thread I need to save the clean buffer/frame via *
speex_echo_playback()*
2. In the audio recorder thread, I'll read a new buffer/frame(which might
include far-end+echo fragments)
3. Then I'll use the *speex_echo_capture()* to cancel out the echo fragment
coming from the playback buffer
4. The resulting *"out"* buffer contains the cleaned frame which in
turn
I'll use to encode to my target codec, ex. G77, GSM, etc..

I hope I'm on the right track.. I'll let you know if I succeed on this
AEC
development..

Many thanks
Chris Adoremos

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Anton A. Shpakovsky <saa at
tomsksoft.com>wrote:
> Hi
>
>
>
> So in your case if you don?t want to use *speex_echo_cancellation** *than
> you should do next way:
>
>
>
> Save the playback frames (clean echo) within separate playback thread with
> *speex_echo_playback** *func.
>
> Then use speex_echo_capture - it will remove the clean echo frame (saved
> with *speex_echo_playback** *func) from
>
> const spx_int16_t *rec buffer (saved with *speex_echo_**capture)** *and
> you will get clean frame in "out" buffer.
>
>
>
> The sync is very important - because *speex_echo_**capture *won't be
able
> to remove clean echo frame that you didn't provide with *
> speex_echo_playback**.*
>
> * *
>
> I hope I didn't messed up anything :)
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Anton A. Shpakovsky
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Christopher Adoremos [mailto:chrisadoremos at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2010 11:52 AM
> *To:* Anton A. Shpakovsky
> *Cc:* speex-dev at xiph.org
> *Subject:* [SPAM] [BombData][alltestmode] Re: [SPAM]
> [BombData][alltestmode] [Speex-dev] Using Speex Echo Canceller
>
>
>
> Hi Anton
>
> Thanks for the info...
>
> What if I use this function do I still need to sync the playback and
> capture?
> Assuming that the captured voice (*rec) already contains the echo which I
> need to cancel out...
> --------------------------------
> void speex_echo_capture (SpeexEchoState *st, const spx_int16_t *rec,
> spx_int16_t *out)
>
> Parameters:
>         st     Echo canceller state
>         rec     signal from the microphone (near end + far end echo)
>         out     Returns near-end signal with echo removed
> ----------------------------------
>
> thanks & regards,
> Chris Adoremos
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Anton A. Shpakovsky <saa at
tomsksoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Yes, it's absolutely unnecessary to use speex codec. You can encode the
> echo cancelled auido data with any codec you want.
>
> The Echo Canncelation API is here -
>
http://www.speex.org/docs/api/speex-api-reference/group__SpeexEchoState.html
>
> I would advice you to look at *speex_echo_cancellation *function but you
> will have to sync playback and capture streams by yourself.
>
>
>
> I've used GSM, iLBC and Speex codecs with Speex AEC and it works fine.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Anton A. Shpakovsky
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* speex-dev-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:speex-dev-bounces at
xiph.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Christopher Adoremos
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:39 PM
> *To:* speex-dev at xiph.org
> *Cc:* jean-marc.valin at usherbrooke.ca
> *Subject:* [SPAM] [BombData][alltestmode] [Speex-dev] Using Speex Echo
> Canceller
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Is it possible to use only the speex echo cancellation module w/o using the
> speex codec?
>
>
>
> Here's the scenario:
>
> 1. I have my voice recorded in PCM audio file format
>
> 2. I want to cleanup the recorded voice by removing any echo included in
> the audio file/buffer
>
> 3. can I just use the ff APIs?
>
>    - SpeexEchoState* speex_echo_state_init()
>
>    - int speex_echo_ctl()
>
>    - void speex_echo_capture()
>
> 4. then, will it be possible to encode the output buffer from
> speex_echo_capture() to any codec?
>
>     Like G711? GSM? etc....
>
>
>
> I'm quite new to audio format concepts/development, so if you have any
> ideas your advice is highly appreciated..
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Chris A
>
>
>
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