similar to: CentOS users: please try and provide feedback on Fedora Boltron

Matthew Miller wrote: > Please take a look at > > http://www.itworld.com/article/3211046/linux/red-hats-boltron-snaps-together-a-modular-linux-server.html > > and > > https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-boltron/ > > which has a walkthrough questionnaire at the bottom. Your feedback very > appreciated. > What?s the point of doing this with Fedora? It?s not like

On 08/02/2017 08:27 AM, hw wrote: > Jonathan Billings wrote: >> >> I?m confused, are you talking about Gentoo, Fedora, CentOS or RHEL? > > I?m talking about Centos here and am referring to experiences with other > distributions at the same time. > > Like Gentoo is great but horrible to keep up to date, and in doing so, > you are expected to become a package manager

On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 03:25:36PM +0200, hw wrote: > >In all honesty, I wouldn't want Libreoffice running in a container > >and I can't imagine why you'd want an xterm in its own container. > It was only an example. The point of doing that is to use different versions of > xterm and of emacs as come by default. How else would I do that when non-default >

On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:10:31PM +0200, Leon Fauster wrote: > > I think what you're looking for here is Flatpak. > Just a off-topic question (maybe in the future of EL less off-topic); > Does the concept of flatpak make updates in general more complicated > (e.g. security issues in libraries)? The centralized concept of "shared > libraries" does support by

On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 02:04:54PM +0200, hw wrote: > Just wait and see how he will like the feedback he?s getting here ... Trolling aside (fascist? really?), I've gotten valuable feedback from several people which I really appreciate. I intend to continue to engage with the CentOS community, because when we work on big changes in Fedora which may come to our downstream distributions,

Am 03.08.2017 um 15:55 schrieb Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org>: > > On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 03:25:36PM +0200, hw wrote: >>> In all honesty, I wouldn't want Libreoffice running in a container >>> and I can't imagine why you'd want an xterm in its own container. >> It was only an example. The point of doing that is to use different versions of

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 07:56:41PM +0200, hw wrote: > Sure is: You get to manage your distribution yourself by picking the > versions of packages you figure might work together, which you are > supposed and required to do with Gentoo, especially when you run into > yet another dependency conflict. Only --- I guess --- you don?t get > the same level of control over the packages as

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, hw <hw at gc-24.de> wrote: > >> Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the >> upstreams. Please remember that Fedora is primarily an *integration* >> project, and the best way to get bugs fixed is for the developers of >> the code in question to be involved. Many Fedora maintainers help >> facilitate this

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:11:53PM +0100, Phil Perry wrote: > The issue I have here is even if I did file a bug, and the issue > were fixed, no sooner than it's fixed fedora updates to the next > version and introduces a whole bunch of new bugs, and so the cycle > continues. I played that game for a while with fedora core when Red > Hat Linux died before settling on Enterprise

On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 03:40:42PM +0200, hw wrote: > >No, this isn't it it all. Modules are sets of packages which the > >distribution creators have selected to work together; you don't compose > >modules as an end-user. > > Then maybe my understanding of packages and/or modules is wrong. > What is considered a module? What if I replace, for example, >

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 06:13:42PM +0200, hw wrote: > What?s the point of doing this with Fedora? It?s not like bugs > were fixed before Fedora is EOL and all reports are forgotten. Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the upstreams. Please remember that Fedora is primarily an *integration* project, and the best way to get bugs fixed is for the developers of the code

It probably makes sense under the assumption that you do pretty much everything in one container or another and that it doesn?t bother you having to switch between all the containers to do something. That would require something like a window manager turned into a container manager, and it goes towards turning away from an operating system to some kind of BIOS to run containers and the

On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, hw <hw at gc-24.de> wrote: > Are you sure that all the added complexity and implicitly giving up a > stable platform by providing a mess of package versions is worth it? How > are the plans about dealing with bug reports, say, for squid 2.7, for > those who need that version for a feature which hasn?t been included in > current versions yet? Just

On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:56 AM, hw <hw at gc-24.de> wrote: > > Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 06:13:42PM +0200, hw wrote: >>> What?s the point of doing this with Fedora? It?s not like bugs >>> were fixed before Fedora is EOL and all reports are forgotten. >> >> Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the >>

On 08/02/2017 10:57 AM, hw wrote: > > It probably makes sense under the assumption that you do pretty much > everything in one container or another and that it doesn?t bother you > having to switch between all the containers to do something. That would > require something like a window manager turned into a container manager, > and it goes towards turning away from an operating

On 30.07.2017 14:29, Johnny Hughes wrote: > I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work > on all the time learning/testing. I just seamlessly upgraded it from > Fedora 25 to Fedora 26 using a couple of dnf commands .. awesome > experience actually. because of this feature to upgrade from one release to the next, I thought to test this on my old computer;

Johnny Hughes wrote: > I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work > on all the time learning/testing. I just seamlessly upgraded it from > Fedora 25 to Fedora 26 using a couple of dnf commands .. awesome > experience actually. Don?t get me started on Fedora updates. One of the reasons to deprecate Fedora was that upgrading had turned out to be unreliable

Jonathan Billings wrote: > >> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:56 PM, hw <hw at gc-24.de> wrote: >> >>> Many bugs are fixed in Fedora. Many more bugs are fixed in the >>> upstreams. Please remember that Fedora is primarily an *integration* >>> project, and the best way to get bugs fixed is for the developers of >>> the code in question to be involved.

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, Mark Haney wrote: > Sure there is such a thing. It's a tiled console package (tilix is what I > use). In all honesty, I wouldn't want Libreoffice running in a container and > I can't imagine why you'd want an xterm in its own container. Most > containers I've built have been RESTful API containers, NGINX proxies/web > servers, etc. I

Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 02:04:54PM +0200, hw wrote: >> Just wait and see how he will like the feedback he?s getting here ... > > Trolling aside (fascist? really?), I've gotten valuable feedback from > several people which I really appreciate. I intend to continue to > engage with the CentOS community, because when we work on big changes > in