similar to: OT: systemd Poll

On Mon, April 10, 2017 7:29 am, Steve Clark wrote: > On 04/09/2017 04:30 AM, J Martin Rushton wrote: >> On 09/04/17 05:39, Anthony K wrote: >>> According to "Arthur Schopenhauer": >>> >>> "All truth passes through three stages. >>> First, it is ridiculed. >>> Second, it is violently opposed. >>> Third, it is

On Sun, April 9, 2017 00:39, Anthony K wrote: > According to "Arthur Schopenhauer": > > "All truth passes through three stages. > First, it is ridiculed. > Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." > > I must admit that I skipped through the first and second stages - I > never found creating init

On 04/10/2017 03:20 PM, Pete Biggs wrote: >> I must admit that I skipped through the first and second stages - I >> never found creating init scripts a joy and instead opted to write my >> own scripts that I launched via inittab. As such, I welcomed the >> simplicity systemd's service files without fuss. >> >> So, at which stage are you in w/ regards to

On 09/04/17 05:39, Anthony K wrote: > According to "Arthur Schopenhauer": > > "All truth passes through three stages. > First, it is ridiculed. > Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." All ideas, true or false, follow those stages, but one hopes that the false ones are eventually derided and toppled.

On 04/09/2017 04:30 AM, J Martin Rushton wrote: > On 09/04/17 05:39, Anthony K wrote: >> According to "Arthur Schopenhauer": >> >> "All truth passes through three stages. >> First, it is ridiculed. >> Second, it is violently opposed. >> Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." > All ideas, true or false, follow those

On 17/10/18 1:25 am, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > That said, if one is strongly willing to stay away from systemd, and > not to such extent into Linux as to needing an advise on that, I would > recommend to take a look at non-Linux system, specifically BSD > descendants (FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc). Their kernel is not as heavy > (big,resource demanding) as Linux kernel, and you can do

> I must admit that I skipped through the first and second stages - I > never found creating init scripts a joy and instead opted to write my > own scripts that I launched via inittab. As such, I welcomed the > simplicity systemd's service files without fuss. > > So, at which stage are you in w/ regards to adopting systemd? Are you > still ridiculing it, violently

On 04/10/2017 08:13 PM, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > On 04/10/2017 03:20 PM, Pete Biggs wrote: >>> I must admit that I skipped through the first and second stages - I >>> never found creating init scripts a joy and instead opted to write my >>> own scripts that I launched via inittab. As such, I welcomed the >>> simplicity systemd's service files without fuss.

Another huge concern: It breaks, someone else has to fix it because it's in the C source - after it reaches a high enough priority. At least with scripts you could conceivably hack it. From what I've read there is some ability to get systemd to defer to a script, I'm going to have to become an expert at that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Ferrell" <bferrell

On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:02 PM, John R Pierce <pierce at hogranch.com> wrote: > > every RPM that interacts with systemd will need to be 'fixed' to do it the old way, with init.d scripts. repositories like postgres, EPEL, etc won't work, either, as their C7 packaged daemons are all configured to use systemd. That?s just skimming the surface. The real hard bits come from the

Pete Orrall wrote: >> So, at which stage are you in w/ regards to adopting systemd? Are you >> still >> ridiculing it, violently opposed to it, or have you mellowed to it? > > I've never had to write my own init scripts before so I'm not feeling > the pain of others, but having professionally managed machines running > SystemD for a while now honestly I

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On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:11:19PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote: > I feel like this conversation has reached the "lets just keep > repeating FUD about systemd" stage and probably won't progress in a > useful direction. > > Maybe we should just jump right to the end that we always have each > time this comes up. systemd is the death of linux and you're

On 09/04/17 14:39, Anthony K wrote: > > So, at which stage are you in w/ regards to adopting systemd? Are you > still ridiculing it, violently opposed to it, or have you mellowed to it? Thanks for all those that responded. systemd still appears to be a sore topic. systemd is still coping a whole lot of ridicule but not so violent opposition. Can't say I understand why, but you

<humor for the day>Why don't we discuss something ***less*** controversial, like politics or religion?</humor for the day> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karanbir Singh" <mail-lists at karan.org> To: "centos" <centos at centos.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:19:43 AM Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: systemd Poll On 09/04/17 05:39, Anthony K

On 7.6.2017 23:40, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > On 06/07/2017 01:27 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:02 PM, John R Pierce <pierce at hogranch.com> wrote: >>> every RPM that interacts with systemd will need to be 'fixed' to do >>> it the old way, with init.d scripts. repositories like postgres, >>> EPEL, etc won't work, either, as

On Tue, April 11, 2017 4:41 pm, Warren Young wrote: > On Apr 11, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Scott Robbins <scottro11 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> (though they're talking of trying OpenRC) > > Not just talking. TrueOS, ne?? PC-BSD, now runs on OpenRC. > > So let me tell you about how my recent TrueOS server upgrade broke > virtually all of my services on the TrueOS

On 4/8/2017 9:39 PM, Anthony K wrote: > > So, at which stage are you in w/ regards to adopting systemd? Are you > still ridiculing it, violently opposed to it, or have you mellowed to it? I wish the documentation was a bit better. systemd and networkmanager definitely change the rules... I had a minimal C7 VM where I had a heck of a time getting it to use the right DNS servers,

> So, at which stage are you in w/ regards to adopting systemd? Are you still > ridiculing it, violently opposed to it, or have you mellowed to it? I've never had to write my own init scripts before so I'm not feeling the pain of others, but having professionally managed machines running SystemD for a while now honestly I don't mind it. While the language used (units, targets)

On 09/04/17 05:39, Anthony K wrote: > So, at which stage are you in w/ regards to adopting systemd? Are you > still ridiculing it, violently opposed to it, or have you mellowed to it? I think the points been made, can we all move along and let this thread be. -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc