similar to: [OT] Just had to vent...

> -----Original Message----- > From: centos-bounces at centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces at centos.org] On > Behalf Of John Hodrien > Sent: den 24 januari 2016 12:47 > To: CentOS mailing list > Cc: Mark LaPierre > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent > > My opinion is that there's a silent majority who don't hate Gnome3, and that > it's not half as

On 01/24/2016 11:46 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: > On 01/24/2016 11:31 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: centos-bounces at centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces at centos.org] On >>> Behalf Of John Hodrien >>> Sent: den 24 januari 2016 12:47 >>> To: CentOS mailing list >>> Cc: Mark LaPierre >>> Subject: Re:

> -----Original Message----- > From: centos-bounces at centos.org [mailto:centos-bounces at centos.org] On > Behalf Of Jonathan Billings > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:47 AM > To: centos at centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 03:56:21PM +0000, Always Learning wrote: > > Of course Alice can. All of us can. Hopefully it

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 03:56:21PM +0000, Always Learning wrote: > Of course Alice can. All of us can. Hopefully it is constructive > criticism. Seeing good software being replaced by less good, less > useful and more awkward software usually provoke the software's users to > protest. Complaining on the CentOS list is probably not that productive, though. -- Jonathan Billings

On 01/23/16 18:20, Alice Wonder wrote: > Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. > > For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is > no way to ask it to only show monospace fonts. > > It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default - meaning you > have to do something special to get fonts shown that aren't

On Sat, January 23, 2016 5:20 pm, Alice Wonder wrote: > Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. > > For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is > no way to ask it to only show monospace fonts. > > It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default - meaning you > have to do something special to get fonts shown

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 00:20, Alice Wonder wrote: > Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. > > For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is no way > to ask it to only show monospace fonts. > > It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default - meaning you have to > do something special to get fonts shown that

On 01/23/2016 06:20 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: > Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. > > For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is > no way to ask it to only show monospace fonts. > > It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default - meaning you > have to do something special to get fonts shown that

On Sat, 2016-01-23 at 20:27 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 20:05:02 -0500 > Mark LaPierre wrote: > > > The main reason I'm still using, nearly obsolete, CentOS 6 is because I > > don't want to have to deal with Gnome 3. > > Install Mate on Centos 7 and you never have to touch Gnome 3. I did, > and my desktops don't look or work any

On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 12:01 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Well, there is Linux distribution which is systemd-free. And that > distribution I predict will live for decently long time. It is "Devuan" - > a fork of Debian, stripped off systemd and friends... well, I should have > said: composed without systemd and friends. Devuan was forked off ebian > because of systemd.

> Seriously, who is in charge with the UI design in gnome? > > Whoever it is needs to be fired. > > /rant > Most of them were already fired or left cause of under-funding. Like other OSS projects, they are severely understaffed.

Isn't this basically a volunteer effort? On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Micky <mickylmartin at gmail.com> wrote: > > Seriously, who is in charge with the UI design in gnome? > > > > Whoever it is needs to be fired. > > > > /rant > > > > Most of them were already fired or left cause of under-funding. > Like other OSS projects, they are

On 01/24/2016 10:23 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote: > Isn't this basically a volunteer effort? At one point I believe they were funded by Novel, not sure who is funding the project now.

On 01/25/2016 01:28 AM, Kahlil Hodgson wrote: > I personally love Gnome3 on Fedora. It took me about a week to adjust my > mindset though -- I did that over a Xmas break. > > It did help that I read the release notes first (so I was not surprised at > the major change) and went through the tutorial the developers provided. > > An interesting exercise re-examining and

On Sun, January 24, 2016 11:45, Peter Duffy wrote: > > Trouble is that when you go from 6 to 7, you also have the delights of > systemd and grub 2 to contend with. > . . . > Similarly with others who have commented, I simply cannot > understand why the maintainers of crucial components in > linux have this thing about making vast changes which impact > (usually adversely)

> I believe that RHEL7 (and CentOS7) both have systemd integrated into them enough > that it isn?t as simple as ?choose init system? on install. That's because of systemd. Even if most of the linux distros don't, giving the choice is a bit less difficult with any other init system. The main problem is systemd makes (often badly) more and more things that, as a "simple"

On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 18:41 +0500, Micky wrote: > Alice, your rant is just whining. It is pertinent. It is lucidly expressed and many concur. > It's open source. If you don't like it, modify it. That can be an onerous burden especially when one lacks knowledge and time. > You cannot compare something which you basically get for free to what is > funded by for-profit

On 2016-01-25, Always Learning <centos at u64.u22.net> wrote: [...] > As a C5 Gnome 2 user I dread G3 when I move my desktop to C6. Mate seems > an alternative. Anyone know more about the G2 folk ? C6 features G2. Nothing to dread. -- Liam

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 03:20:35PM -0800, Alice Wonder wrote: > It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default - meaning you > have to do something special to get fonts shown that aren't > monospace. The default _is_ monospace (specifically, the monospace system font). You _are_ doing something special by changing the font - and gedit happens to work just fine with

On 01/25/2016 09:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 03:20:35PM -0800, Alice Wonder wrote: >> It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default - meaning you >> have to do something special to get fonts shown that aren't >> monospace. > > The default _is_ monospace (specifically, the monospace system font). Yes and I needed a larger font