Thanks again Tom. You fixed my DNS problem! I had been having trouble with my "new" router not passing on dns stuff to my local hosts. I fixed it on my SuSE linux boxes by putting in the DNS IP''s via Yast on each local host however when I fired up with KNOPPIX, which uses the Debian distro, I couldnt find out how to make it work. Then as I was reading the Shorewall list today, you told how to add the option to the dhcpd.conf file. So I made that change on the router and it is now working fine. BTW, I had RTFM''s many times and did find any help there. I know it wasnt a Shorewall problem but you fixed it for me anyway and I didn''t even have to ask! Thanks again, Richard