Tom, You don''t have to say your sorry for being direct and to the point. It is not rude nor is it mean. Most mailing lists have developers who don''t answer, don''t help and just plain ignore posts ... Thats what I call rude .. What you do is cut through the crap and help people the best way .. With clear concise facts ... Not with hyperbole and wrong answers ... Keep up the awesome work and thank You from the bottom of my heart. -- Francesca C Smith Lady Linux Internet Services 1801 Bolton Street # 1 Baltimore, MD 21217