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Hey again folks ;-) Seems my auth is working afterall when I telnet to the IMAP port. But darned if I can get it working with Horde web mail. Is anyone out there doing this just first of all to confirm to me that the combination works OK. I don't care so much about shadow auth since apparantly my pam auth is working just fine. thanks, -Alan -- "True Budo is done for the sake of