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...ng that mlWin and lmer generate the same exact random effects but different results for the standardized random effects. Now, my prior post showed exactly how lme calculates the standardized random effects, so this is now totally transparent. What I would recommend you do is this 1) Calculate the unstandardized random effects in mlWin 2) Calculate the standardized random effects in mlWin 3) Divide the mlWin unstandarized random effects by the standarized random effects. This will show what denominator is used to standardize the random effects. Basically, just replicate what I did in my prior email u...