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...Treatment, Source and their interaction). For example, would the effect sizes be a more appropriate way to go? Thanks! Kay Lucek -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/How-to-estimate-variance-components-with-lmer-for-models-with-random-effects-and-compare-them-with-ls-tp4634492.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com.