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...ranef at each level are: mean(Level 1 intercepts) = 0.23 mean(Level 2 intercepts) = 0.07 I'd expect the level 2 intercepts to be produced with more variation than the mean value of 0.07 from this simulation. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Random-effects-and-lme4-tp18264554p18264554.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com.