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There (yet) another discussion going on on the O''Reilly web logs about J E5, complexity and the competitors (i.e. Rails et al). See http://www.oreillynet.com/windows/blog/2006/07/the_beginning_of_the_end_for_j.html. Seems this was spawned by my own article available at: http://www.soaranch.com/articles/2006/7/11/soa-and-rails-part-1.html. My response to this discussion is at: http://www.russmiles.com/home/2006/7/13/my-focus-getting-things-done.html Would be great to hear the voices of the Rails commu...