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Yea, I realize this is an Apple problem since they do their own things with Samba, but wanted to confer with the samba experts here as Apple has yet to fix this in the last year (10.5.2 to 10.5.5). I've recently report it to apple as still a bug but wondering if it might have a workaround? Scenario: You created or have an existing file on a mac smb share Permissions look like: -rwxr--r-- 1