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...t sure why numeric() dosnt make you define length before you use it, yet matrix() does. Is there some other funciton that i should be using to make length not an issue? All in all, I dont know if i am going about this loop stuff a reaaaaly round about way - Any help would make me much less loopy:Pthanks -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Newbie%3A-Simple-loops%3A-complex-troubles-tf3523751.html#a9830574 Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com.