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On Wed, December 31, 2014 12:03, Warren Young wrote: > > So, cope with change. > Is one to infer from your mantra 'cope with change' that one is not supposed to express any opinion whatsoever, ever, on any forum; on the externalised cost of changes made to software with no evident technical justification? And that to do so is evidence of some moral or intellectual defect in

...I said go *join them*. Get involved. Put your code out into the marketplace of ideas as an alternative to the ideas currently being offered. If you?ve truly got the best solution, you?ll start to move things in the direction you want them to go. It?s not going to happen immediately, but in a do-ocracy, those who do things accrete ruling powers. Or, you can go fork EL6 or whatever other ?classic? distro that makes you happier. That?s a lot more work and just adds to the fractiousness that?s part of the problem here, but if your ideas really are hot, you?ll cause another of the occasional shifts...

...desk for a yea/nay? What if the Fedora project gatewayed the low-traffic development mailing list to this one, so that you don?t even have *that* barrier to participation? Now ask yourself: what user-visible changes do you expect in the world afterward? Hint to the correct answer: F/OSS is a do-ocracy: those who do the work, rule. People give Poettering a lot of static, but the fact is, he Gets. Stuff. Done. If you want different stuff done, you?re going to have to make that happen somehow. Shouted complaints from a soapbox don?t compile. And don?t play the ?underfunded government agency? ca...

...a software developer: it isn?t. > > OK, but should one developer make an extra effort or the bazillion > people affected by it? That developer is either being paid by a company with their own motivations or is scratching his own itch. You have no claim on his time. Open source is a do-ocracy: those who do the work, rule. People throw all kinds of hate at Poettering, but he is *doing things* and getting those things into consequential Linux distributions. The haters are just crying about it, not out there trying to do things differently, not trying to win an audience. I don?t just me...

Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 01:05:15PM -0500, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: >> >> Why? Fedora is a development, rapid change distro. I just bugged one >> of >> > Because of the context of this conversation. We can't have user >> > feedback and involvement without user feedback and involvement. >> So, you're saying that end users

...t of these walls. Then someone changed the wall generator to produce differently-shaped walls, and now you?re upset that the walls aren?t the same any more. I get it: you?re annoyed. What I don?t get is why you believe your annoyance should, of itself, effect a change in the world. FOSS is a do-ocracy: he who does the work makes the rules. If you want the wall to be shaped differently, and no one is making new walls with that shape any more, go make your own wall, or maintain an old wall that was already correctly-shaped, by your lights. In this case, I think the lowest friction path is to for...

...hen someone changed the wall generator to produce differently-shaped walls, and now you?re upset that the walls aren?t the same any more. > > I get it: you?re annoyed. What I don?t get is why you believe your annoyance should, of itself, effect a change in the world. > > FOSS is a do-ocracy: he who does the work makes the rules. If you want the wall to be shaped differently, and no one is making new walls with that shape any more, go make your own wall, or maintain an old wall that was already correctly-shaped, by your lights. > > In this case, I think the lowest friction path...

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Warren Young <wyml at etr-usa.com> wrote: > On Dec 29, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell at gmail.com> wrote: > >> it's not necessary for either code interfaces or data structures >> to change in backward-incompatible ways. > > You keep talking about the cost of coping with change, but apparently you believe

On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Mark Rousell <mark.rousell at signal100.com> wrote: > > launchd is not being forced on them as systemd is in practice Try doing without launchd on macOS. If you think that?s irrelevant, count the number of MacBooks at the next FreeBSD conference you attend. For an init system to gain sufficient momentum, it must be the default, with no easy way to