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On Wed, December 31, 2014 12:03, Warren Young wrote: > > So, cope with change. > Is one to infer from your mantra 'cope with change' that one is not supposed to express any opinion whatsoever, ever, on any forum; on the externalised cost of changes made to software with no evident technical justification? And that to do so is evidence of some moral or intellectual defect in

On Jan 1, 2015, at 2:15 PM, James B. Byrne <byrnejb at harte-lyne.ca> wrote: > On Wed, December 31, 2014 12:03, Warren Young wrote: >> >> So, cope with change. > > Is one to infer from your mantra 'cope with change' that one is not supposed > to express any opinion whatsoever, ever, on any forum No, it?s a reaction to those who apparently want nothing to

On Dec 9, 2015, at 11:55 AM, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: > > Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 01:05:15PM -0500, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: >>>>> >>> So, you're saying that end users need to go poke their noses into the >>> development process >> >> If you want to go out of your way to read it that way, it's hard to

On Dec 31, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell at gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Warren Young <wyml at etr-usa.com> wrote: >> You keep talking about the cost of coping with change, but apparently you believe maintaining legacy interfaces is cost-free. >> >> Take it from a software developer: it isn?t. > > OK, but should one

Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 01:05:15PM -0500, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: >> >> Why? Fedora is a development, rapid change distro. I just bugged one >> of >> > Because of the context of this conversation. We can't have user >> > feedback and involvement without user feedback and involvement. >> So, you're saying that end users

On Oct 17, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Mark Rousell <mark.rousell at signal100.com> wrote: > > On 17/10/2018 20:03, Warren Young wrote: >> On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Mark Rousell <mark.rousell at signal100.com> wrote: >>> launchd is not being forced on them as systemd is in practice >> Try doing without launchd on macOS. > > If launchd was on Linux and it

On 10/17/18 7:55 PM, Warren Young wrote: > On Oct 17, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Mark Rousell <mark.rousell at signal100.com> wrote: >> >> On 17/10/2018 20:03, Warren Young wrote: >>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Mark Rousell <mark.rousell at signal100.com> wrote: >>>> launchd is not being forced on them as systemd is in practice >>> Try doing

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Warren Young <wyml at etr-usa.com> wrote: > On Dec 29, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell at gmail.com> wrote: > >> it's not necessary for either code interfaces or data structures >> to change in backward-incompatible ways. > > You keep talking about the cost of coping with change, but apparently you believe

On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Mark Rousell <mark.rousell at signal100.com> wrote: > > launchd is not being forced on them as systemd is in practice Try doing without launchd on macOS. If you think that?s irrelevant, count the number of MacBooks at the next FreeBSD conference you attend. For an init system to gain sufficient momentum, it must be the default, with no easy way to