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...o notify listener on other end of connection # how many bytes I'm getting ready to send # serialize(object,con,ascii=FALSE) Object stores, like memcache (http://danga.com/memcached/), need to know object sizes before storing. RDBMS's which support large objects (CLOBS or BLOBS) don't nececarilly need to know object sizes before-hand, but they do have max column size limits which must be honored. BTW, readchar() can read strings with embedded nulls; I figured writeChar() should be able to write them. -- Jeffrey Horner Computer Systems Analyst School of Medicine 615-322-86...