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...rs, :through => :foo_bars class bar has_many :foo_bars has_many :foos, :through => :foo_bars class foo_bars belongs_to :foo belongs_to :bar If I have an instance of foo and an instance of bar, how do I add the association between the two of them? my_foo.bars << my_bar or (inversely), my_bar.foos << my_foo or do I somehow need to manipulate the join model explicitly? Thanks, Brad -- Bradley Mazurek