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Hi all, so, summary: I am cant think of a way to supply group creds on the same group to two different classes that both require access to the ssl certificates. The ssl certs are group but not world accessible, ''mode => 660''. I have ldap doing tls, in one class, so the ldap user needs to be in the sslcerts group, and httpd::ssl, so apache needs to be in the sslcerts group.