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Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 01:05:15PM -0500, m.roth at 5-cent.us wrote: >> >> Why? Fedora is a development, rapid change distro. I just bugged one >> of >> > Because of the context of this conversation. We can't have user >> > feedback and involvement without user feedback and involvement. >> So, you're saying that end users

...do the work, rule. People give Poettering a lot of static, but the fact is, he Gets. Stuff. Done. If you want different stuff done, you?re going to have to make that happen somehow. Shouted complaints from a soapbox don?t compile. And don?t play the ?underfunded government agency? card. LANL, LLBL, ORNL, NASA, USGS?all have given back lots of code to the open source world. As well they should, because they derive an awful lot of benefit from that world. I?m not against your basic position, Mark. I, too, have shaken my head in dismay at several of the desktop-focused behaviors in recent ve...

...ut were not listened to. That stuff is fine for a desktop, but who *cares* How Fast a *server* Shuts Down? And coming up - hell, damn HP server take for-bloody-*ever* with their firmware, init V is faster than their firmware. > > And don?t play the ?underfunded government agency? card. LANL, LLBL, > ORNL, NASA, USGS?all have given back lots of code to the open source > world. As well they should, because they derive an awful lot of benefit > from that world. May be, but my federal agency is at *least* 5% under what we were getting in 2003, and my manager, who's working with a...