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Can anyone give a brief, english synopsis of how this works? I must be missing something obvious, or maybe there IS a need to have 2 similarly labelled config options. Or maybe I'm lost in the goldbergian method that this applies permissions (take the real perms, bitwise OR them with the mask, then apply all the permissions NOT given, etc. etc.) Help a dummy? -- Edward Schernau http://www.schernau.com Network Architect mailto:ed@schernau.com Rational Computing Providence, RI, USA