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...d I both ran it the same way as shown below (his run) with the shown data set. His results are shown below. we both got the same results.? I was running with R 2.3.1. I'm not sure what version he used. Thanks very much, David Booth Kent State University -----Original Message----- From: dvdbooth at cs.com To: kberk at ilstu.edu Sent: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 7:01 pm Subject: Re: MANOVA Data Ken, Did you notice that Wilks, Roy, etc p-values are all the same?? Pillai is almost the SAS result.? Can't figure it out.? I'll submit a bug report. What's Velleman going to talk abou...