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...and it would be good if users could logon/logoff the desk phones. At present they all use softphones on the PC too, and I could engineer a way of maybe doing things via cgi scripting, replacing the tftp config files for that phone, and then remotely resetting the phone, however that would be quite clumber sum. And before I go that route, I wondered if any of the commercial A*k systems already offer this? If the Ciscos can't do this.. then can any other hardphones? Adrian Marsh