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Thanks for the advice. I had played with NT4 a little bit to see if I could use it for setting up a resource domain for windows 2003 machines- since it looks like you can join Windows 2003 machines to an NT4 domain (so why PCNL can't I don't know), and then establish trusts between NT4 and PCNL. I didn't really want to have NT4 machines in my enviroment any longer than necessary so