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...a sample I encoded using oggenc. It happens at both the '128' and '160' bitrate settings. I've posted the snippet of the original wav file, as well as the noisy ogg so you can try it for yourself. You can download them both from http://engsoc.queensu.ca/lintec/ogg/ I've bzip2'd the wav file to keep download speeds a little quicker. If you're curious where the sample is from, it's track 4 on disc 2 of "The Fragile" by Nine Inch Nails. Phil --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/...

...;s not practical to do. :) ---- If you're still reading up to here, thank you for taking the time. I'm happy to iterate on the questions people might have. Have fun, and I hope this helps! Cheers PS. If you'd like to get the raw trace, I'd be happy to share it but it's 81MB bzip2'd. :) Also, if you'd like to see the csv output or the text output, I'd be happy to share it too but not via email on the mailing list. :D