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...o be forcing anymore anymore ? =) I've tried on two seperate machines, slightly different configs but same statements in the stanza I was testing... Trying to force 750/640 and it appeared to work quite nicely in the past.. No other mode statements around, and according to docs, force does a bitwire OR on the mode, no AND or masking. Still, with 750/640 forced, I get -rwxr--r-- and drwxr-xr-x thesedays..... very odd... Anybody else use these statements that might be able to replicate or tell me to go RTFM one more time? -- chris pickert for reference, the statements are:: force creat...