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Trouble is if you split the list into newbies and non-newbies the people the other Alan despises so much won't think of themselves as newbies. As a relative newbie myself I find it hard to swallow some of the near-elitist attitude shown by some experts, calling someone who isn't as experienced as you a noob is just plain insulting. I hope when those people learn something new they

Dan Kegel wrote: > > Yes. Do you think the name wine-newbies is a bad idea? I had thought > it was ok, > people who are new do tend to think of themselves as newbies for a > while, don't they? Sorry that bit wasn't too clear. I think people can accept being called newbies, I certainly don't mind. But the term noob is generally viewed as an insult, I think some people