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hi It was not working when i applied the rules on the vpn card. But I wondered if maybe bridging of vpn and eth0 was messing this up. I thought it was enough to only apply it to the vpn card root at JOTVPN:~# brctl show bridge name bridge id STP enabled    interfaces bridge 8000.000c29638a7e no           eth0                                                                   vpn so I tried the