samba - Jun 2022 - Updated samba 4.16.2 RPM build tools at https://github.com/nkadel/samba4repo

Morning:

I've updated my RPM building tools to samba 4.16.2, with some basic
smoke testing on RHEL 8, 9, and Fedora 36. RHEL and Fedora are
publishing more recent libraries for the dependencies, such as libldb.
But Red Hat doesn't publish the needed python3-libldb-devel package,
in either RHEL or CentOS, so I''m compelled to include it and set the
release number somewhat higher to ensure its available for Samba
builds.

It's peculiar, because the python3-ldb-devel package is in the
published .spec file for libldb. Something has to be specifically
deleting or excluding it from publication in the RHEL software
channels. I've seen this before  for "lmdb-devel", which was only
available in the "Devel" channel, for software required to build
Samba. It seems kind of personal when they play these peek-a-boo games
with software built all at the same time, used internally for building
other software, but not included in their public repositories.

At some point, this starts looking like malice, possibly to interfere
with people like me who compile Samba with full domain controller
features enabled. Hindering competition with freeipa and the
complexities of sssd would be really petty, but this has happened
several times now, and it's gotten suspicious.

Nico Kadel-Garcia

Hi Nico,

It's not malice, I believe it's an oversight and I believe it's not
easy
to fix now that Red Hat has EPEL8 in full motion. When I asked about some 
missing -devel packages in RHEL8, this was the answer I got and the way to 
fix that is to go to https://bugzilla.redhat.com and open a BZ for the 
missing packages to be included (I've filed a few myself).

Also, just get the src.rpm and rebuild it, that will give you an exact 
-devel rpm matching what you have installed and it will install just fine 
alongside the main rpm.

Regards,

Vincent

On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, Nico Kadel-Garcia via samba wrote:
> Morning:
>
> I've updated my RPM building tools to samba 4.16.2, with some basic
> smoke testing on RHEL 8, 9, and Fedora 36. RHEL and Fedora are
> publishing more recent libraries for the dependencies, such as libldb.
> But Red Hat doesn't publish the needed python3-libldb-devel package,
> in either RHEL or CentOS, so I''m compelled to include it and set
the
> release number somewhat higher to ensure its available for Samba
> builds.
>
> It's peculiar, because the python3-ldb-devel package is in the
> published .spec file for libldb. Something has to be specifically
> deleting or excluding it from publication in the RHEL software
> channels. I've seen this before  for "lmdb-devel", which was
only
> available in the "Devel" channel, for software required to build
> Samba. It seems kind of personal when they play these peek-a-boo games
> with software built all at the same time, used internally for building
> other software, but not included in their public repositories.
>
> At some point, this starts looking like malice, possibly to interfere
> with people like me who compile Samba with full domain controller
> features enabled. Hindering competition with freeipa and the
> complexities of sssd would be really petty, but this has happened
> several times now, and it's gotten suspicious.
>
> Nico Kadel-Garcia
>
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Also, it's in the EPEL8 FAQ and the way to get the missing package in 
RHEL8 is documented there:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/FAQ#RHEL_8_has_binaries_in_the_release,_but_is_missing_some_corresponding_-devel_package._How_do_I_build_a_package_that_needs_that_missing_-devel_package?

Regards,

Vincent

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, Nico Kadel-Garcia via samba wrote:
> Morning:
>
> I've updated my RPM building tools to samba 4.16.2, with some basic
> smoke testing on RHEL 8, 9, and Fedora 36. RHEL and Fedora are
> publishing more recent libraries for the dependencies, such as libldb.
> But Red Hat doesn't publish the needed python3-libldb-devel package,
> in either RHEL or CentOS, so I''m compelled to include it and set
the
> release number somewhat higher to ensure its available for Samba
> builds.
>
> It's peculiar, because the python3-ldb-devel package is in the
> published .spec file for libldb. Something has to be specifically
> deleting or excluding it from publication in the RHEL software
> channels. I've seen this before  for "lmdb-devel", which was
only
> available in the "Devel" channel, for software required to build
> Samba. It seems kind of personal when they play these peek-a-boo games
> with software built all at the same time, used internally for building
> other software, but not included in their public repositories.
>
> At some point, this starts looking like malice, possibly to interfere
> with people like me who compile Samba with full domain controller
> features enabled. Hindering competition with freeipa and the
> complexities of sssd would be really petty, but this has happened
> several times now, and it's gotten suspicious.
>
> Nico Kadel-Garcia
>
> -- 
> To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the
> instructions:  https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
>

On Sun, 2022-06-19 at 04:00 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia via samba
wrote:
> Morning:
> 
> 
> 
> I've updated my RPM building tools to samba 4.16.2, with some basic
> 
> smoke testing on RHEL 8, 9, and Fedora 36. RHEL and Fedora are
> 
> publishing more recent libraries for the dependencies, such as
> libldb.
> 
> But Red Hat doesn't publish the needed python3-libldb-devel package,
> 
> in either RHEL or CentOS, so I''m compelled to include it and set
the
> 
> release number somewhat higher to ensure its available for Samba
> 
> builds.
Regardless Samba should always be built with the included ldb.

Recently Debian even patched to stop consuming a 'system' or
'external'
ldb, they just build the internal one and provide the output as an
additional package.

As a Samba build strictly requires exactly the same version as the one
in the samba tarball, it makes no sense to pretend ldb is provided from
elsewhere.

I may finally revive my MR to do this upstream, I think folks finally
realise that the 'independent ldb' idea is just a pile of pain for
packagers, without enough useful benefits. 

Andrew Bartlett
-- 
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