samba - May 2019 - Upgraded from CentOS 6.X to 7.X, samba not working

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 03:45:31PM +0200, L.P.H. van Belle via samba (samba at
lists.samba.org) wrote:
> You should have looked before upgrading. ... 
I actually did, I remember now (after I read your suggestions).

On this page (https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Updating_Samba) it actually says:

   If you update to Samba 4 and later, you do not have to migrate to Active
Directory.

That was enough for me at that time.

I KNOW I have to update at some stage but in the moment I am getting conflicting
messages.
On the webpage it still says I can use old type NT domains.

So is this still possible to runb NT style domains on the latest samba?
My reasoning: I want to get all upgrades out of the way, then update samba ...


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On 27/05/2019 01:26, Jobst Schmalenbach via samba wrote:
> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 03:45:31PM +0200, L.P.H. van Belle via samba (samba
at lists.samba.org) wrote:
>> You should have looked before upgrading. ...
> I actually did, I remember now (after I read your suggestions).
>
> On this page (https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Updating_Samba) it actually
says:
>
>     If you update to Samba 4 and later, you do not have to migrate to
Active Directory.
>
> That was enough for me at that time.
>
> I KNOW I have to update at some stage but in the moment I am getting
conflicting messages.
> On the webpage it still says I can use old type NT domains.
>
> So is this still possible to runb NT style domains on the latest samba?
Theoretically they should work, but I tested setting up a new PDC on 
Samba 4.6.3 (so you can see this was some time ago) and whilst I did get 
it to work, it was extremely difficult. There was also the problem that 
whilst I can set up a Unix domain member against an AD DC at the drop of 
an hat, I could not get one to work in the same against a PDC, i had to 
use nslcd to see any domain users & groups.

There is also the problem of smbldap-tools (if you use it), this is not 
just EOL, it is a dead project, as far as I can see, it no longer has a 
code base anywhere on the internet, so it just needs a change to Perl to 
stop it working.
> My reasoning: I want to get all upgrades out of the way, then update samba
...
I understand your problem, but (and here is a first) I agree with 
Reindl, using RHEL is all very well and good, but it is based on old 
package versions and this means that when the time comes to update, it 
is usually a large jump. Large corporations can deal with this, but 
smaller ones struggle, so if you must use a red-hat based distro, use 
Fedora, yes you will need to upgrade more often, but the changes will be 
smaller and current.

Rowland

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 08:40:19AM +0100, Rowland penny via samba (samba at
lists.samba.org) wrote:
> On 27/05/2019 01:26, Jobst Schmalenbach via samba wrote:
> > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 03:45:31PM +0200, L.P.H. van Belle via samba
(samba at lists.samba.org) wrote:
> > > You should have looked before upgrading. ...
> > I actually did, I remember now (after I read your suggestions).
> > 
> > On this page (https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Updating_Samba) it
actually says:
> 
> > My reasoning: I want to get all upgrades out of the way, then update
samba ...
> I understand your problem, but (and here is a first) I agree with Reindl,
> using RHEL is all very well and good, but it is based on old package
> versions and this means that when the time comes to update, it is usually a
> large jump. Large corporations can deal with this, but smaller ones
> struggle, so if you must use a red-hat based distro, use Fedora, yes you
> will need to upgrade more often, but the changes will be smaller and
> current.
Hindsight its always better than foresight - I am a field hockey goalie and I
can asure you I KNOW this!!
;-)

I used to be on RH6, then Redhat moved to licensing. So I went to Fedora - but I
got sick and tired of all these packages and daemons running that I did need for
a "WHATEVER" server (many different).

The amoount of stuff you cannot turn off while running Fedora is huge. CentOS is
lean, so I swapped.
CentOS does have advantages when you run it on Dell Blade servers.



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