Trenta sis
2016-Oct-10 17:25 UTC
[Samba] Naming conventions with samba4 & AD with computer with "_"
Hi,
I'm evaluating to migrate samba 3 domain to samba 4 with AD, but our
environment contains dns names with "_", and in samba wiki appears
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/909264 that you can't use dns names
with "_"
Disallowed charactersDNS host names cannot contain the following characters:
- comma (,)
- tilde (~)
- colon (:)
- exclamation point (!)
- at sign (@)
- number sign (#)
- dollar sign ($)
- percent (%)
- caret (^)
- ampersand (&)
- apostrophe (')
- period (.)
- parentheses (())
- braces ({})
- *underscore (_)*
- white space (blank)
The underscore has a special role, as it is permitted for the first
character in SRV records by RFC definition, but newer DNS servers may also
allow it anywhere in a name. For more details, see:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959336.aspx.
I have tested samba 3 to samba 4 and seems that computer objectes with
"_"
are migrated and we can add dns A with "_"
I have tried to add a cname with "_" and seems thats wokrs, but
I'm not
sure If really I can user "_" in computer names and dns names or this
requires to be replaces by "-" befores upgrade...
It is required to rename machiens with "_" and dns A and cname with
"_" to
"-", for example... ?
Thanks
Trenta sis
2016-Oct-16 19:59 UTC
[Samba] Naming conventions with samba4 & AD with computer with "_"
Hi, I am testing to migrate samba 3 nt domain to samba 4 ad, It is sure to keep machines with hostname "_" and dns records a or cname with "_" I am reading some information, but nothing clear if we can keep this old convention.... We have made some test and seems that any problem is generated, but we are not sure if we can continue with this naming convention... thanks 2016-10-10 19:25 GMT+02:00 Trenta sis <trenta.sis at gmail.com>:> Hi, > > I'm evaluating to migrate samba 3 domain to samba 4 with AD, but our > environment contains dns names with "_", and in samba wiki appears > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/909264 that you can't use dns > names with "_" > > Disallowed charactersDNS host names cannot contain the following > characters: > > - comma (,) > - tilde (~) > - colon (:) > - exclamation point (!) > - at sign (@) > - number sign (#) > - dollar sign ($) > - percent (%) > - caret (^) > - ampersand (&) > - apostrophe (') > - period (.) > - parentheses (()) > - braces ({}) > - *underscore (_)* > - white space (blank) > > The underscore has a special role, as it is permitted for the first > character in SRV records by RFC definition, but newer DNS servers may also > allow it anywhere in a name. For more details, see: > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959336.aspx. > I have tested samba 3 to samba 4 and seems that computer objectes with "_" > are migrated and we can add dns A with "_" > > > I have tried to add a cname with "_" and seems thats wokrs, but I'm not > sure If really I can user "_" in computer names and dns names or this > requires to be replaces by "-" befores upgrade... > > > It is required to rename machiens with "_" and dns A and cname with "_" to > "-", for example... ? > > Thanks > >
Rowland Penny
2016-Oct-17 07:38 UTC
[Samba] Naming conventions with samba4 & AD with computer with "_"
On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:59:30 +0200 Trenta sis via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:> Hi, > > I am testing to migrate samba 3 nt domain to samba 4 ad, It is sure > to keep machines with hostname "_" and dns records a or cname with "_" > > I am reading some information, but nothing clear if we can keep this > old convention.... > > We have made some test and seems that any problem is generated, but > we are not sure if we can continue with this naming convention... > thanks > > 2016-10-10 19:25 GMT+02:00 Trenta sis <trenta.sis at gmail.com>: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm evaluating to migrate samba 3 domain to samba 4 with AD, but our > > environment contains dns names with "_", and in samba wiki appears > > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/909264 that you can't use dns > > names with "_" > > > > Disallowed charactersDNS host names cannot contain the following > > characters: > > > > - comma (,) > > - tilde (~) > > - colon (:) > > - exclamation point (!) > > - at sign (@) > > - number sign (#) > > - dollar sign ($) > > - percent (%) > > - caret (^) > > - ampersand (&) > > - apostrophe (') > > - period (.) > > - parentheses (()) > > - braces ({}) > > - *underscore (_)* > > - white space (blank) > > > > The underscore has a special role, as it is permitted for the first > > character in SRV records by RFC definition, but newer DNS servers > > may also allow it anywhere in a name. For more details, see: > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959336.aspx. > > I have tested samba 3 to samba 4 and seems that computer objectes > > with "_" are migrated and we can add dns A with "_" > > > > > > I have tried to add a cname with "_" and seems thats wokrs, but I'm > > not sure If really I can user "_" in computer names and dns names > > or this requires to be replaces by "-" befores upgrade... > > > > > > It is required to rename machiens with "_" and dns A and cname with > > "_" to "-", for example... ? > > > > Thanks > > > >If you read the documentation you posted links to, yes, you can use the underscore character, but it is not recommended, as other dns servers might not recognise it. This might not be a problem now, but what if something changes in the future ? I would accept this and start changing things now. Rowland
L.P.H. van Belle
2016-Oct-17 07:55 UTC
[Samba] Naming conventions with samba4 & AD with computer with "_"
Hai, About the underscore ... Think in android phones, default names, lots have _ in the name. And if you use Bind9 DLZ, add also : check-names ignore; I think its good to add this to the bind_dlz samba wiki. Greetz, Louis> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens Rowland Penny via > samba > Verzonden: maandag 17 oktober 2016 9:39 > Aan: samba at lists.samba.org > Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Naming conventions with samba4 & AD with computer > with "_" > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:59:30 +0200 > Trenta sis via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am testing to migrate samba 3 nt domain to samba 4 ad, It is sure > > to keep machines with hostname "_" and dns records a or cname with "_" > > > > I am reading some information, but nothing clear if we can keep this > > old convention.... > > > > We have made some test and seems that any problem is generated, but > > we are not sure if we can continue with this naming convention... > > thanks > > > > 2016-10-10 19:25 GMT+02:00 Trenta sis <trenta.sis at gmail.com>: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm evaluating to migrate samba 3 domain to samba 4 with AD, but our > > > environment contains dns names with "_", and in samba wiki appears > > > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/909264 that you can't use dns > > > names with "_" > > > > > > Disallowed charactersDNS host names cannot contain the following > > > characters: > > > > > > - comma (,) > > > - tilde (~) > > > - colon (:) > > > - exclamation point (!) > > > - at sign (@) > > > - number sign (#) > > > - dollar sign ($) > > > - percent (%) > > > - caret (^) > > > - ampersand (&) > > > - apostrophe (') > > > - period (.) > > > - parentheses (()) > > > - braces ({}) > > > - *underscore (_)* > > > - white space (blank) > > > > > > The underscore has a special role, as it is permitted for the first > > > character in SRV records by RFC definition, but newer DNS servers > > > may also allow it anywhere in a name. For more details, see: > > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959336.aspx. > > > I have tested samba 3 to samba 4 and seems that computer objectes > > > with "_" are migrated and we can add dns A with "_" > > > > > > > > > I have tried to add a cname with "_" and seems thats wokrs, but I'm > > > not sure If really I can user "_" in computer names and dns names > > > or this requires to be replaces by "-" befores upgrade... > > > > > > > > > It is required to rename machiens with "_" and dns A and cname with > > > "_" to "-", for example... ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > If you read the documentation you posted links to, yes, you can use the > underscore character, but it is not recommended, as other dns servers > might not recognise it. > > This might not be a problem now, but what if something changes in the > future ? > > I would accept this and start changing things now. > > Rowland > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
L.P.H. van Belle
2016-Oct-17 08:09 UTC
[Samba] Naming conventions with samba4 & AD with computer with "_"
Rowland, What we also forgot to mention here. FQDN names lengths are "63 bytes per label and 255 bytes for an FQDN. BUT The domain controllers are limited to 155 bytes for an FQDN. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959336.aspx Greetz, Louis> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens Rowland Penny via> samba> Verzonden: maandag 17 oktober 2016 9:39> Aan: samba at lists.samba.org> Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Naming conventions with samba4 & AD with computer> with "_">> On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:59:30 +0200> Trenta sis via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:>> > Hi,> >> > I am testing to migrate samba 3 nt domain to samba 4 ad, It is sure> > to keep machines with hostname "_" and dns records a or cname with "_"> >> > I am reading some information, but nothing clear if we can keep this> > old convention....> >> > We have made some test and seems that any problem is generated, but> > we are not sure if we can continue with this naming convention...> > thanks> >> > 2016-10-10 19:25 GMT+02:00 Trenta sis <trenta.sis at gmail.com>:> >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I'm evaluating to migrate samba 3 domain to samba 4 with AD, but our> > > environment contains dns names with "_", and in samba wiki appears> > > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/909264 that you can't use dns> > > names with "_"> > >> > > Disallowed charactersDNS host names cannot contain the following> > > characters:> > >> > > - comma (,)> > > - tilde (~)> > > - colon (:)> > > - exclamation point (!)> > > - at sign (@)> > > - number sign (#)> > > - dollar sign ($)> > > - percent (%)> > > - caret (^)> > > - ampersand (&)> > > - apostrophe (')> > > - period (.)> > > - parentheses (())> > > - braces ({})> > > - *underscore (_)*> > > - white space (blank)> > >> > > The underscore has a special role, as it is permitted for the first> > > character in SRV records by RFC definition, but newer DNS servers> > > may also allow it anywhere in a name. For more details, see:> > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959336.aspx.> > > I have tested samba 3 to samba 4 and seems that computer objectes> > > with "_" are migrated and we can add dns A with "_"> > >> > >> > > I have tried to add a cname with "_" and seems thats wokrs, but I'm> > > not sure If really I can user "_" in computer names and dns names> > > or this requires to be replaces by "-" befores upgrade...> > >> > >> > > It is required to rename machiens with "_" and dns A and cname with> > > "_" to "-", for example... ?> > >> > > Thanks> > >> > >>> If you read the documentation you posted links to, yes, you can use the> underscore character, but it is not recommended, as other dns servers> might not recognise it.>> This might not be a problem now, but what if something changes in the> future ?>> I would accept this and start changing things now.>> Rowland>> --> To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the> instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Trenta sis
2016-Oct-17 12:43 UTC
[Samba] Naming conventions with samba4 & AD with computer with "_"
thanks for all, tried to use with machiens and dns entry with _ and seems to work without any special change on bind Thanks Rowland, What we also forgot to mention here. FQDN names lengths are "63 bytes per label and 255 bytes for an FQDN. BUT The domain controllers are limited to 155 bytes for an FQDN. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959336.aspx Greetz, Louis>* -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----*>* Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org <https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba>] Namens Rowland Penny via*>* samba*>* Verzonden: maandag 17 oktober 2016 9:39*>* Aan: samba at lists.samba.org <https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba>*>* Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Naming conventions with samba4 & AD with computer*>* with "_"*> >* On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:59:30 +0200*>* Trenta sis via samba <samba at lists.samba.org <https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba>> wrote:*> >* > Hi,*>* >*>* > I am testing to migrate samba 3 nt domain to samba 4 ad, It is sure*>* > to keep machines with hostname "_" and dns records a or cname with "_"*>* >*>* > I am reading some information, but nothing clear if we can keep this*>* > old convention....*>* >*>* > We have made some test and seems that any problem is generated, but*>* > we are not sure if we can continue with this naming convention...*>* > thanks*>* >*>* > 2016-10-10 19:25 GMT+02:00 Trenta sis <trenta.sis at gmail.com <https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba>>:*>* >*>* > > Hi,*>* > >*>* > > I'm evaluating to migrate samba 3 domain to samba 4 with AD, but our*>* > > environment contains dns names with "_", and in samba wiki appears*>* > > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/909264 <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/909264> that you can't use dns*>* > > names with "_"*>* > >*>* > > Disallowed charactersDNS host names cannot contain the following*>* > > characters:*>* > >*>* > > - comma (,)*>* > > - tilde (~)*>* > > - colon (:)*>* > > - exclamation point (!)*>* > > - at sign (@)*>* > > - number sign (#)*>* > > - dollar sign ($)*>* > > - percent (%)*>* > > - caret (^)*>* > > - ampersand (&)*>* > > - apostrophe (')*>* > > - period (.)*>* > > - parentheses (())*>* > > - braces ({})*>* > > - *underscore (_)**>* > > - white space (blank)*>* > >*>* > > The underscore has a special role, as it is permitted for the first*>* > > character in SRV records by RFC definition, but newer DNS servers*>* > > may also allow it anywhere in a name. For more details, see:*>* > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959336.aspx. <http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959336.aspx.>*>* > > I have tested samba 3 to samba 4 and seems that computer objectes*>* > > with "_" are migrated and we can add dns A with "_"*>* > >*>* > >*>* > > I have tried to add a cname with "_" and seems thats wokrs, but I'm*>* > > not sure If really I can user "_" in computer names and dns names*>* > > or this requires to be replaces by "-" befores upgrade...*>* > >*>* > >*>* > > It is required to rename machiens with "_" and dns A and cname with*>* > > "_" to "-", for example... ?*>* > >*>* > > Thanks*>* > >*>* > >*> >* If you read the documentation you posted links to, yes, you can use the*>* underscore character, but it is not recommended, as other dns servers*>* might not recognise it.*> >* This might not be a problem now, but what if something changes in the*>* future ?*> >* I would accept this and start changing things now.*> >* Rowland*> >* --*>* To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the*>* instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba <https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba>* 2016-10-16 21:59 GMT+02:00 Trenta sis <trenta.sis at gmail.com>:> Hi, > > I am testing to migrate samba 3 nt domain to samba 4 ad, It is sure to > keep machines with hostname "_" and dns records a or cname with "_" > > I am reading some information, but nothing clear if we can keep this old > convention.... > > We have made some test and seems that any problem is generated, but we are > not sure if we can continue with this naming convention... > thanks > > 2016-10-10 19:25 GMT+02:00 Trenta sis <trenta.sis at gmail.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm evaluating to migrate samba 3 domain to samba 4 with AD, but our >> environment contains dns names with "_", and in samba wiki appears >> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/909264 that you can't use dns >> names with "_" >> >> Disallowed charactersDNS host names cannot contain the following >> characters: >> >> - comma (,) >> - tilde (~) >> - colon (:) >> - exclamation point (!) >> - at sign (@) >> - number sign (#) >> - dollar sign ($) >> - percent (%) >> - caret (^) >> - ampersand (&) >> - apostrophe (') >> - period (.) >> - parentheses (()) >> - braces ({}) >> - *underscore (_)* >> - white space (blank) >> >> The underscore has a special role, as it is permitted for the first >> character in SRV records by RFC definition, but newer DNS servers may also >> allow it anywhere in a name. For more details, see: >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc959336.aspx. >> I have tested samba 3 to samba 4 and seems that computer objectes with >> "_" are migrated and we can add dns A with "_" >> >> >> I have tried to add a cname with "_" and seems thats wokrs, but I'm not >> sure If really I can user "_" in computer names and dns names or this >> requires to be replaces by "-" befores upgrade... >> >> >> It is required to rename machiens with "_" and dns A and cname with "_" >> to "-", for example... ? >> >> Thanks >> >> > >
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