samba - Jun 2016 - Moving the 1st DC (FSMO) to another site - howto?

James, it took me a while, but now I am doing this. I created the new 
site with RSAT (want to move over my 1st DC), but this new site isn't 
showing in the DNS console. Do I have to create the new site there, as well?

Ole



On 25.04.2016 14:27, lingpanda101 at gmail.com wrote:
> On 4/22/2016 3:43 PM, Ole Traupe wrote:
>> Hi Mathias, lingpanda101, thank you for the quick reply! Comments 
>> inline.
>>
>>
>> On 22.04.2016 15:14, mathias dufresne wrote:
>>> Hi Ole,
>>>
>>> A - If I read correctly you have only one DC and you want to move 
>>> from one network to another.
>>>
>>> To achieve that change you will have to change all A/AAAA records
in
>>> your both AD zones (root zone and _msdcs zone).
>>> Once that is done you will have to change resolver configuration on
>>> your clients for they can send DNS request to the new IP.
>>>
>>> Can't see anything else. Nothing about AD site: AD sites are
linked
>>> to clients networks and clients networks do not change, only DC 
>>> network is changing.
>>>
>>> B - If I don't read correctly, you have several DC. Move on DC
to
>>> the new network, change A and AAAA records related to that DC to 
>>> reflect the network change.
>>> If you move one DC not used by clients as DNS server, no change on 
>>> client side.
>>
>> I have two DCs. The one with the FSMO roles is on the physical server 
>> to move. Unfortunately I don't have another host for this VM
staying
>> at the old place.
>>
>> Also, I will have a few clients at the new place soon, so I think a 
>> second site is the way to go? Sorry, I mentioned this only implicitly 
>> in "moving our lab". Is it possible to just transfer an
existing DC
>> to another site? By manually recreating all the records?
>>
>> The moving DC will definitely be used as first DNS server, as the 
>> second DC is on very old, potentially unreliable hardware. But 
>> changing the DNS server config on the clients is no big deal.
>>
>>
>> In response to the message from lingpanda101:
>>
>> I was not talking about transferring the FSMO roles. Sorry if I had 
>> been unclear about that.
>>
>> In theory, I will have access to both networks from both places. In 
>> practice, the firewall settings initially are very restrictive. So I 
>> try not to forget anything in preparation. I have thought of...
>> - all the ports samba regularly uses (including DNS requests)
>> - rsync ports for sysvol replication
>> - ...
>>
>> I would be very happy about the steps to create a new site and to 
>> transfer DC and some client records to it!
>>
>>
>> Probably I will see for the file server integration first, while 
>> using the 2nd DC as fallback for DNS and logon. Once that works I 
>> deal with bringing the 1st DC back into the game.
>>
>>>
>>> C - You are lazy and you have enough physical computer to play
with.
>>
>> Yes and no. ;)
>>
>>> Just create a new DC on the new site, join it to the domain.
>>> If then you want to remove old DC you will have to seize (or 
>>> transfer if it works) FSMO roles, change DNS configuration on
client
>>> side, but as that's a new DC you don't have to modify
A/AAAA records.
>>>
>>> IMPORTANT NOTE: with internal DNS you have only one SOA. SOA is 
>>> where DNS update goes. If you remove old SOA you must change SOA 
>>> record to assign it to a working DC. Without that no change in your
>>> DNS zones will be possible for later use (DC moving from site to 
>>> site is the main point, auto-update pushed by DHCP or clients
won't
>>> work too).
>>
>> I followed the recent/ongoing discussion on that. With "DNS
updates"
>> you mean the clients automatically updating their records, right? 
>> Because I am pretty sure that with internal DNS I can make changes to 
>> DNS structure with RSAT on 2nd DC and it gets replicated to the 1st 
>> DC (SOA). Maybe the only issue with internal DNS is that the 2nd, 3rd 
>> etc. DC won't advertise themselves as SOA, and so automatic updates
>> fail when the 1st DC is offline.
>>
>>>
>>> 2016-04-22 13:44 GMT+02:00 Ole Traupe <ole.traupe at
tu-berlin.de
>>> <mailto:ole.traupe at tu-berlin.de>>:
>>>
>>>     Hi List,
>>>
>>>     I'll probably have to move my FSMO role owner to another
site.
>>>     Like at the end of next week (depends on tight transportation
>>>     schedules). So there is no actual time for testing anything, I
am
>>>     afraid.
>>>
>>>     We are in the process of moving our lab, with our offices
staying
>>>     in the old building for now (different class C subnets). The
>>>     physical machine is basically a file server (hosting DC1 as a
VM)
>>>     which is particularly needed at the new site. Plus: Summer is
>>>     coming and the new site has cooling. Unfortunately, our
university
>>>     techsup can't span a VLan to merge these two sites. So I am
trying
>>>     to figure out how to do it. In earlier discussions on DC
failover
>>>     strategies I was suggested to have my DCs on different sites
(with
>>>     different subnets), so I figure it being possible in general.
>>>
>>>     The necessary steps likely include:
>>>     - modifying my current DNS config: create another site, move
DC1
>>>     over, also the file server (AD member)
>>>     - update all the clients' 1st DNS server entries to reflect
the
>>>     new IP of DC1 (and network share mappings)
>>>     - set some firewall rules allowing for logon and smb
communication
>>>     etc.
>>>
>>>     Samba is version 4.2.5 with internal DNS.
>>>
>>>     Any advice, instructions, heads-up, warnings are very welcome!
>>>
>>>     Best regards,
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     --     To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL
and
>>> read the
>>>     instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
>>>
>>>
>>
> Ole,
>
>     Will you be using Microsoft RSAT to create the sites? If so do 
> follow this guide
>
>
http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2015/03/04/step-by-step-setting-up-active-directory-sites-subnets-amp-site-links.aspx
>
>
> Will you be changing your IP of the domain controller? If so follow 
> this guide.
>
> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Change_IP_address_of_an_Samba_AD_DC
>
> If using DHCP. Give your clients the DNS IP of your new site DC. That 
> should be it.
>
>

I am using Samba internal DNS.


On 23.06.2016 17:21, Ole Traupe wrote:
> James, it took me a while, but now I am doing this. I created the new 
> site with RSAT (want to move over my 1st DC), but this new site isn't 
> showing in the DNS console. Do I have to create the new site there, as 
> well?
>
> Ole
>
>
>
> On 25.04.2016 14:27, lingpanda101 at gmail.com wrote:
>> On 4/22/2016 3:43 PM, Ole Traupe wrote:
>>> Hi Mathias, lingpanda101, thank you for the quick reply! Comments 
>>> inline.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22.04.2016 15:14, mathias dufresne wrote:
>>>> Hi Ole,
>>>>
>>>> A - If I read correctly you have only one DC and you want to
move
>>>> from one network to another.
>>>>
>>>> To achieve that change you will have to change all A/AAAA
records
>>>> in your both AD zones (root zone and _msdcs zone).
>>>> Once that is done you will have to change resolver
configuration on
>>>> your clients for they can send DNS request to the new IP.
>>>>
>>>> Can't see anything else. Nothing about AD site: AD sites
are linked
>>>> to clients networks and clients networks do not change, only DC
>>>> network is changing.
>>>>
>>>> B - If I don't read correctly, you have several DC. Move on
DC to
>>>> the new network, change A and AAAA records related to that DC
to
>>>> reflect the network change.
>>>> If you move one DC not used by clients as DNS server, no change
on
>>>> client side.
>>>
>>> I have two DCs. The one with the FSMO roles is on the physical 
>>> server to move. Unfortunately I don't have another host for
this VM
>>> staying at the old place.
>>>
>>> Also, I will have a few clients at the new place soon, so I think a
>>> second site is the way to go? Sorry, I mentioned this only 
>>> implicitly in "moving our lab". Is it possible to just
transfer an
>>> existing DC to another site? By manually recreating all the
records?
>>>
>>> The moving DC will definitely be used as first DNS server, as the 
>>> second DC is on very old, potentially unreliable hardware. But 
>>> changing the DNS server config on the clients is no big deal.
>>>
>>>
>>> In response to the message from lingpanda101:
>>>
>>> I was not talking about transferring the FSMO roles. Sorry if I had
>>> been unclear about that.
>>>
>>> In theory, I will have access to both networks from both places. In
>>> practice, the firewall settings initially are very restrictive. So
I
>>> try not to forget anything in preparation. I have thought of...
>>> - all the ports samba regularly uses (including DNS requests)
>>> - rsync ports for sysvol replication
>>> - ...
>>>
>>> I would be very happy about the steps to create a new site and to 
>>> transfer DC and some client records to it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably I will see for the file server integration first, while 
>>> using the 2nd DC as fallback for DNS and logon. Once that works I 
>>> deal with bringing the 1st DC back into the game.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> C - You are lazy and you have enough physical computer to play
with.
>>>
>>> Yes and no. ;)
>>>
>>>> Just create a new DC on the new site, join it to the domain.
>>>> If then you want to remove old DC you will have to seize (or 
>>>> transfer if it works) FSMO roles, change DNS configuration on 
>>>> client side, but as that's a new DC you don't have to
modify A/AAAA
>>>> records.
>>>>
>>>> IMPORTANT NOTE: with internal DNS you have only one SOA. SOA is
>>>> where DNS update goes. If you remove old SOA you must change
SOA
>>>> record to assign it to a working DC. Without that no change in
your
>>>> DNS zones will be possible for later use (DC moving from site
to
>>>> site is the main point, auto-update pushed by DHCP or clients
won't
>>>> work too).
>>>
>>> I followed the recent/ongoing discussion on that. With "DNS
updates"
>>> you mean the clients automatically updating their records, right? 
>>> Because I am pretty sure that with internal DNS I can make changes 
>>> to DNS structure with RSAT on 2nd DC and it gets replicated to the 
>>> 1st DC (SOA). Maybe the only issue with internal DNS is that the 
>>> 2nd, 3rd etc. DC won't advertise themselves as SOA, and so
automatic
>>> updates fail when the 1st DC is offline.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2016-04-22 13:44 GMT+02:00 Ole Traupe <ole.traupe at
tu-berlin.de
>>>> <mailto:ole.traupe at tu-berlin.de>>:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi List,
>>>>
>>>>     I'll probably have to move my FSMO role owner to
another site.
>>>>     Like at the end of next week (depends on tight
transportation
>>>>     schedules). So there is no actual time for testing
anything, I am
>>>>     afraid.
>>>>
>>>>     We are in the process of moving our lab, with our offices
staying
>>>>     in the old building for now (different class C subnets).
The
>>>>     physical machine is basically a file server (hosting DC1 as
a VM)
>>>>     which is particularly needed at the new site. Plus: Summer
is
>>>>     coming and the new site has cooling. Unfortunately, our
university
>>>>     techsup can't span a VLan to merge these two sites. So
I am trying
>>>>     to figure out how to do it. In earlier discussions on DC
failover
>>>>     strategies I was suggested to have my DCs on different
sites (with
>>>>     different subnets), so I figure it being possible in
general.
>>>>
>>>>     The necessary steps likely include:
>>>>     - modifying my current DNS config: create another site,
move DC1
>>>>     over, also the file server (AD member)
>>>>     - update all the clients' 1st DNS server entries to
reflect the
>>>>     new IP of DC1 (and network share mappings)
>>>>     - set some firewall rules allowing for logon and smb
communication
>>>>     etc.
>>>>
>>>>     Samba is version 4.2.5 with internal DNS.
>>>>
>>>>     Any advice, instructions, heads-up, warnings are very
welcome!
>>>>
>>>>     Best regards,
>>>>     Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     --     To unsubscribe from this list go to the following
URL
>>>> and read the
>>>>     instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Ole,
>>
>>     Will you be using Microsoft RSAT to create the sites? If so do 
>> follow this guide
>>
>>
http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2015/03/04/step-by-step-setting-up-active-directory-sites-subnets-amp-site-links.aspx
>>
>>
>> Will you be changing your IP of the domain controller? If so follow 
>> this guide.
>>
>> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Change_IP_address_of_an_Samba_AD_DC
>>
>> If using DHCP. Give your clients the DNS IP of your new site DC. That 
>> should be it.
>>
>>
>

On 6/23/2016 11:21 AM, Ole Traupe wrote:
> James, it took me a while, but now I am doing this. I created the new 
> site with RSAT (want to move over my 1st DC), but this new site isn't 
> showing in the DNS console. Do I have to create the new site there, as 
> well?
>
> Ole
>
>
>
> On 25.04.2016 14:27, lingpanda101 at gmail.com wrote:
>> On 4/22/2016 3:43 PM, Ole Traupe wrote:
>>> Hi Mathias, lingpanda101, thank you for the quick reply! Comments 
>>> inline.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22.04.2016 15:14, mathias dufresne wrote:
>>>> Hi Ole,
>>>>
>>>> A - If I read correctly you have only one DC and you want to
move
>>>> from one network to another.
>>>>
>>>> To achieve that change you will have to change all A/AAAA
records
>>>> in your both AD zones (root zone and _msdcs zone).
>>>> Once that is done you will have to change resolver
configuration on
>>>> your clients for they can send DNS request to the new IP.
>>>>
>>>> Can't see anything else. Nothing about AD site: AD sites
are linked
>>>> to clients networks and clients networks do not change, only DC
>>>> network is changing.
>>>>
>>>> B - If I don't read correctly, you have several DC. Move on
DC to
>>>> the new network, change A and AAAA records related to that DC
to
>>>> reflect the network change.
>>>> If you move one DC not used by clients as DNS server, no change
on
>>>> client side.
>>>
>>> I have two DCs. The one with the FSMO roles is on the physical 
>>> server to move. Unfortunately I don't have another host for
this VM
>>> staying at the old place.
>>>
>>> Also, I will have a few clients at the new place soon, so I think a
>>> second site is the way to go? Sorry, I mentioned this only 
>>> implicitly in "moving our lab". Is it possible to just
transfer an
>>> existing DC to another site? By manually recreating all the
records?
>>>
>>> The moving DC will definitely be used as first DNS server, as the 
>>> second DC is on very old, potentially unreliable hardware. But 
>>> changing the DNS server config on the clients is no big deal.
>>>
>>>
>>> In response to the message from lingpanda101:
>>>
>>> I was not talking about transferring the FSMO roles. Sorry if I had
>>> been unclear about that.
>>>
>>> In theory, I will have access to both networks from both places. In
>>> practice, the firewall settings initially are very restrictive. So
I
>>> try not to forget anything in preparation. I have thought of...
>>> - all the ports samba regularly uses (including DNS requests)
>>> - rsync ports for sysvol replication
>>> - ...
>>>
>>> I would be very happy about the steps to create a new site and to 
>>> transfer DC and some client records to it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably I will see for the file server integration first, while 
>>> using the 2nd DC as fallback for DNS and logon. Once that works I 
>>> deal with bringing the 1st DC back into the game.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> C - You are lazy and you have enough physical computer to play
with.
>>>
>>> Yes and no. ;)
>>>
>>>> Just create a new DC on the new site, join it to the domain.
>>>> If then you want to remove old DC you will have to seize (or 
>>>> transfer if it works) FSMO roles, change DNS configuration on 
>>>> client side, but as that's a new DC you don't have to
modify A/AAAA
>>>> records.
>>>>
>>>> IMPORTANT NOTE: with internal DNS you have only one SOA. SOA is
>>>> where DNS update goes. If you remove old SOA you must change
SOA
>>>> record to assign it to a working DC. Without that no change in
your
>>>> DNS zones will be possible for later use (DC moving from site
to
>>>> site is the main point, auto-update pushed by DHCP or clients
won't
>>>> work too).
>>>
>>> I followed the recent/ongoing discussion on that. With "DNS
updates"
>>> you mean the clients automatically updating their records, right? 
>>> Because I am pretty sure that with internal DNS I can make changes 
>>> to DNS structure with RSAT on 2nd DC and it gets replicated to the 
>>> 1st DC (SOA). Maybe the only issue with internal DNS is that the 
>>> 2nd, 3rd etc. DC won't advertise themselves as SOA, and so
automatic
>>> updates fail when the 1st DC is offline.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2016-04-22 13:44 GMT+02:00 Ole Traupe <ole.traupe at
tu-berlin.de
>>>> <mailto:ole.traupe at tu-berlin.de>>:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi List,
>>>>
>>>>     I'll probably have to move my FSMO role owner to
another site.
>>>>     Like at the end of next week (depends on tight
transportation
>>>>     schedules). So there is no actual time for testing
anything, I am
>>>>     afraid.
>>>>
>>>>     We are in the process of moving our lab, with our offices
staying
>>>>     in the old building for now (different class C subnets).
The
>>>>     physical machine is basically a file server (hosting DC1 as
a VM)
>>>>     which is particularly needed at the new site. Plus: Summer
is
>>>>     coming and the new site has cooling. Unfortunately, our
university
>>>>     techsup can't span a VLan to merge these two sites. So
I am trying
>>>>     to figure out how to do it. In earlier discussions on DC
failover
>>>>     strategies I was suggested to have my DCs on different
sites (with
>>>>     different subnets), so I figure it being possible in
general.
>>>>
>>>>     The necessary steps likely include:
>>>>     - modifying my current DNS config: create another site,
move DC1
>>>>     over, also the file server (AD member)
>>>>     - update all the clients' 1st DNS server entries to
reflect the
>>>>     new IP of DC1 (and network share mappings)
>>>>     - set some firewall rules allowing for logon and smb
communication
>>>>     etc.
>>>>
>>>>     Samba is version 4.2.5 with internal DNS.
>>>>
>>>>     Any advice, instructions, heads-up, warnings are very
welcome!
>>>>
>>>>     Best regards,
>>>>     Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     --     To unsubscribe from this list go to the following
URL
>>>> and read the
>>>>     instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Ole,
>>
>>     Will you be using Microsoft RSAT to create the sites? If so do 
>> follow this guide
>>
>>
http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2015/03/04/step-by-step-setting-up-active-directory-sites-subnets-amp-site-links.aspx
>>
>>
>> Will you be changing your IP of the domain controller? If so follow 
>> this guide.
>>
>> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Change_IP_address_of_an_Samba_AD_DC
>>
>> If using DHCP. Give your clients the DNS IP of your new site DC. That 
>> should be it.
>>
>>
>
>
Sites will not display in the DNS console. After creating the site did 
you move the DC to the new site?

If the DC isn't displaying in the DNS console, you can simply right 
click on the DNS item in the left pane window and choose 'Connect to DNS 
server'.

-- 
-James

Thanks again for your help, James!

I did test-wise and I didn't see any changes in DNS. But I hadn't
changed the IP, yet. So I suppose I move the DC over, change the IP, and then
restart Samba and it will update the DNS itself?

Ole

________________________________________
Von: samba <samba-bounces at lists.samba.org> im Auftrag von lingpanda101
at gmail.com <lingpanda101 at gmail.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2016 17:58
An: samba at lists.samba.org
Betreff: Re: [Samba] Moving the 1st DC (FSMO) to another site - howto?

On 6/23/2016 11:21 AM, Ole Traupe wrote:
> James, it took me a while, but now I am doing this. I created the new
> site with RSAT (want to move over my 1st DC), but this new site isn't
> showing in the DNS console. Do I have to create the new site there, as
> well?
>
> Ole
>
>
>
> On 25.04.2016 14:27, lingpanda101 at gmail.com wrote:
>> On 4/22/2016 3:43 PM, Ole Traupe wrote:
>>> Hi Mathias, lingpanda101, thank you for the quick reply! Comments
>>> inline.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22.04.2016 15:14, mathias dufresne wrote:
>>>> Hi Ole,
>>>>
>>>> A - If I read correctly you have only one DC and you want to
move
>>>> from one network to another.
>>>>
>>>> To achieve that change you will have to change all A/AAAA
records
>>>> in your both AD zones (root zone and _msdcs zone).
>>>> Once that is done you will have to change resolver
configuration on
>>>> your clients for they can send DNS request to the new IP.
>>>>
>>>> Can't see anything else. Nothing about AD site: AD sites
are linked
>>>> to clients networks and clients networks do not change, only DC
>>>> network is changing.
>>>>
>>>> B - If I don't read correctly, you have several DC. Move on
DC to
>>>> the new network, change A and AAAA records related to that DC
to
>>>> reflect the network change.
>>>> If you move one DC not used by clients as DNS server, no change
on
>>>> client side.
>>>
>>> I have two DCs. The one with the FSMO roles is on the physical
>>> server to move. Unfortunately I don't have another host for
this VM
>>> staying at the old place.
>>>
>>> Also, I will have a few clients at the new place soon, so I think a
>>> second site is the way to go? Sorry, I mentioned this only
>>> implicitly in "moving our lab". Is it possible to just
transfer an
>>> existing DC to another site? By manually recreating all the
records?
>>>
>>> The moving DC will definitely be used as first DNS server, as the
>>> second DC is on very old, potentially unreliable hardware. But
>>> changing the DNS server config on the clients is no big deal.
>>>
>>>
>>> In response to the message from lingpanda101:
>>>
>>> I was not talking about transferring the FSMO roles. Sorry if I had
>>> been unclear about that.
>>>
>>> In theory, I will have access to both networks from both places. In
>>> practice, the firewall settings initially are very restrictive. So
I
>>> try not to forget anything in preparation. I have thought of...
>>> - all the ports samba regularly uses (including DNS requests)
>>> - rsync ports for sysvol replication
>>> - ...
>>>
>>> I would be very happy about the steps to create a new site and to
>>> transfer DC and some client records to it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably I will see for the file server integration first, while
>>> using the 2nd DC as fallback for DNS and logon. Once that works I
>>> deal with bringing the 1st DC back into the game.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> C - You are lazy and you have enough physical computer to play
with.
>>>
>>> Yes and no. ;)
>>>
>>>> Just create a new DC on the new site, join it to the domain.
>>>> If then you want to remove old DC you will have to seize (or
>>>> transfer if it works) FSMO roles, change DNS configuration on
>>>> client side, but as that's a new DC you don't have to
modify A/AAAA
>>>> records.
>>>>
>>>> IMPORTANT NOTE: with internal DNS you have only one SOA. SOA is
>>>> where DNS update goes. If you remove old SOA you must change
SOA
>>>> record to assign it to a working DC. Without that no change in
your
>>>> DNS zones will be possible for later use (DC moving from site
to
>>>> site is the main point, auto-update pushed by DHCP or clients
won't
>>>> work too).
>>>
>>> I followed the recent/ongoing discussion on that. With "DNS
updates"
>>> you mean the clients automatically updating their records, right?
>>> Because I am pretty sure that with internal DNS I can make changes
>>> to DNS structure with RSAT on 2nd DC and it gets replicated to the
>>> 1st DC (SOA). Maybe the only issue with internal DNS is that the
>>> 2nd, 3rd etc. DC won't advertise themselves as SOA, and so
automatic
>>> updates fail when the 1st DC is offline.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2016-04-22 13:44 GMT+02:00 Ole Traupe <ole.traupe at
tu-berlin.de
>>>> <mailto:ole.traupe at tu-berlin.de>>:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi List,
>>>>
>>>>     I'll probably have to move my FSMO role owner to
another site.
>>>>     Like at the end of next week (depends on tight
transportation
>>>>     schedules). So there is no actual time for testing
anything, I am
>>>>     afraid.
>>>>
>>>>     We are in the process of moving our lab, with our offices
staying
>>>>     in the old building for now (different class C subnets).
The
>>>>     physical machine is basically a file server (hosting DC1 as
a VM)
>>>>     which is particularly needed at the new site. Plus: Summer
is
>>>>     coming and the new site has cooling. Unfortunately, our
university
>>>>     techsup can't span a VLan to merge these two sites. So
I am trying
>>>>     to figure out how to do it. In earlier discussions on DC
failover
>>>>     strategies I was suggested to have my DCs on different
sites (with
>>>>     different subnets), so I figure it being possible in
general.
>>>>
>>>>     The necessary steps likely include:
>>>>     - modifying my current DNS config: create another site,
move DC1
>>>>     over, also the file server (AD member)
>>>>     - update all the clients' 1st DNS server entries to
reflect the
>>>>     new IP of DC1 (and network share mappings)
>>>>     - set some firewall rules allowing for logon and smb
communication
>>>>     etc.
>>>>
>>>>     Samba is version 4.2.5 with internal DNS.
>>>>
>>>>     Any advice, instructions, heads-up, warnings are very
welcome!
>>>>
>>>>     Best regards,
>>>>     Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     --     To unsubscribe from this list go to the following
URL
>>>> and read the
>>>>     instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Ole,
>>
>>     Will you be using Microsoft RSAT to create the sites? If so do
>> follow this guide
>>
>>
http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2015/03/04/step-by-step-setting-up-active-directory-sites-subnets-amp-site-links.aspx
>>
>>
>> Will you be changing your IP of the domain controller? If so follow
>> this guide.
>>
>> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Change_IP_address_of_an_Samba_AD_DC
>>
>> If using DHCP. Give your clients the DNS IP of your new site DC. That
>> should be it.
>>
>>
>
>
Sites will not display in the DNS console. After creating the site did
you move the DC to the new site?

If the DC isn't displaying in the DNS console, you can simply right
click on the DNS item in the left pane window and choose 'Connect to DNS
server'.

--
-James


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On 23/06/16 16:21, Ole Traupe wrote:
> James, it took me a while, but now I am doing this. I created the new 
> site with RSAT (want to move over my 1st DC), but this new site isn't 
> showing in the DNS console. Do I have to create the new site there, as 
> well?
>
> Ole
>
>
>
> On 25.04.2016 14:27, lingpanda101 at gmail.com wrote:
>> On 4/22/2016 3:43 PM, Ole Traupe wrote:
>>> Hi Mathias, lingpanda101, thank you for the quick reply! Comments 
>>> inline.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22.04.2016 15:14, mathias dufresne wrote:
>>>> Hi Ole,
>>>>
>>>> A - If I read correctly you have only one DC and you want to
move
>>>> from one network to another.
>>>>
>>>> To achieve that change you will have to change all A/AAAA
records
>>>> in your both AD zones (root zone and _msdcs zone).
>>>> Once that is done you will have to change resolver
configuration on
>>>> your clients for they can send DNS request to the new IP.
>>>>
>>>> Can't see anything else. Nothing about AD site: AD sites
are linked
>>>> to clients networks and clients networks do not change, only DC
>>>> network is changing.
>>>>
>>>> B - If I don't read correctly, you have several DC. Move on
DC to
>>>> the new network, change A and AAAA records related to that DC
to
>>>> reflect the network change.
>>>> If you move one DC not used by clients as DNS server, no change
on
>>>> client side.
>>>
>>> I have two DCs. The one with the FSMO roles is on the physical 
>>> server to move. Unfortunately I don't have another host for
this VM
>>> staying at the old place.
>>>
>>> Also, I will have a few clients at the new place soon, so I think a
>>> second site is the way to go? Sorry, I mentioned this only 
>>> implicitly in "moving our lab". Is it possible to just
transfer an
>>> existing DC to another site? By manually recreating all the
records?
>>>
>>> The moving DC will definitely be used as first DNS server, as the 
>>> second DC is on very old, potentially unreliable hardware. But 
>>> changing the DNS server config on the clients is no big deal.
>>>
>>>
>>> In response to the message from lingpanda101:
>>>
>>> I was not talking about transferring the FSMO roles. Sorry if I had
>>> been unclear about that.
>>>
>>> In theory, I will have access to both networks from both places. In
>>> practice, the firewall settings initially are very restrictive. So
I
>>> try not to forget anything in preparation. I have thought of...
>>> - all the ports samba regularly uses (including DNS requests)
>>> - rsync ports for sysvol replication
>>> - ...
>>>
>>> I would be very happy about the steps to create a new site and to 
>>> transfer DC and some client records to it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably I will see for the file server integration first, while 
>>> using the 2nd DC as fallback for DNS and logon. Once that works I 
>>> deal with bringing the 1st DC back into the game.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> C - You are lazy and you have enough physical computer to play
with.
>>>
>>> Yes and no. ;)
>>>
>>>> Just create a new DC on the new site, join it to the domain.
>>>> If then you want to remove old DC you will have to seize (or 
>>>> transfer if it works) FSMO roles, change DNS configuration on 
>>>> client side, but as that's a new DC you don't have to
modify A/AAAA
>>>> records.
>>>>
>>>> IMPORTANT NOTE: with internal DNS you have only one SOA. SOA is
>>>> where DNS update goes. If you remove old SOA you must change
SOA
>>>> record to assign it to a working DC. Without that no change in
your
>>>> DNS zones will be possible for later use (DC moving from site
to
>>>> site is the main point, auto-update pushed by DHCP or clients
won't
>>>> work too).
>>>
>>> I followed the recent/ongoing discussion on that. With "DNS
updates"
>>> you mean the clients automatically updating their records, right? 
>>> Because I am pretty sure that with internal DNS I can make changes 
>>> to DNS structure with RSAT on 2nd DC and it gets replicated to the 
>>> 1st DC (SOA). Maybe the only issue with internal DNS is that the 
>>> 2nd, 3rd etc. DC won't advertise themselves as SOA, and so
automatic
>>> updates fail when the 1st DC is offline.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2016-04-22 13:44 GMT+02:00 Ole Traupe <ole.traupe at
tu-berlin.de
>>>> <mailto:ole.traupe at tu-berlin.de>>:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi List,
>>>>
>>>>     I'll probably have to move my FSMO role owner to
another site.
>>>>     Like at the end of next week (depends on tight
transportation
>>>>     schedules). So there is no actual time for testing
anything, I am
>>>>     afraid.
>>>>
>>>>     We are in the process of moving our lab, with our offices
staying
>>>>     in the old building for now (different class C subnets).
The
>>>>     physical machine is basically a file server (hosting DC1 as
a VM)
>>>>     which is particularly needed at the new site. Plus: Summer
is
>>>>     coming and the new site has cooling. Unfortunately, our
university
>>>>     techsup can't span a VLan to merge these two sites. So
I am trying
>>>>     to figure out how to do it. In earlier discussions on DC
failover
>>>>     strategies I was suggested to have my DCs on different
sites (with
>>>>     different subnets), so I figure it being possible in
general.
>>>>
>>>>     The necessary steps likely include:
>>>>     - modifying my current DNS config: create another site,
move DC1
>>>>     over, also the file server (AD member)
>>>>     - update all the clients' 1st DNS server entries to
reflect the
>>>>     new IP of DC1 (and network share mappings)
>>>>     - set some firewall rules allowing for logon and smb
communication
>>>>     etc.
>>>>
>>>>     Samba is version 4.2.5 with internal DNS.
>>>>
>>>>     Any advice, instructions, heads-up, warnings are very
welcome!
>>>>
>>>>     Best regards,
>>>>     Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>> Ole,
>>
>>     Will you be using Microsoft RSAT to create the sites? If so do 
>> follow this guide
>>
>>
http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2015/03/04/step-by-step-setting-up-active-directory-sites-subnets-amp-site-links.aspx
>>
>>
>> Will you be changing your IP of the domain controller? If so follow 
>> this guide.
>>
>> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Change_IP_address_of_an_Samba_AD_DC
>>
>> If using DHCP. Give your clients the DNS IP of your new site DC. That 
>> should be it.
>>
>>
>
>
Hi Ole, I don't know of any Samba howto, but there is a microsoft one:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794722%28v=ws.10%29.aspx

Rowland

Hi all,

thanks for all your replies!

It finally went down very smoothly (once I discovered that a 
pre-installed fiber optics cable wasn't crossed properly, preventing 
some new switches in different rooms of our new lab building to stack - 
like after 5 hours, you know ;).

I followed James' advice and the two links he provided (at the bottom of 
this message). And mind that I am using Samba's internal DNS solution.

1. I physically moved the server (1st DC, FSMO role holder) to the new 
building (another class C sub-net) - a virtual machine on top of a Samba 
member (file) server.

2. After dealing with the physical file server's network settings, I 
altered the IP of the DC according to this link (I had read in some 
Microsoft links that it is advised to update the IP prior to moving over 
the DC; for whatever reason):
https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Change_IP_address_of_an_Samba_AD_DC
This link mentions some places where in the last step the IP actually 
has to be changed on the server (ifcfg-eth0, /etc/hosts) but does not 
explicitly name /etc/resolv.conf - might be added to the wiki.

3. I created the new site (the old one still is Default-First-Site-Name; 
I left it untouched - did not rename it or provide an explicit subnet) 
and moved over the DC (with RSAT, following this link):
http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2015/03/04/step-by-step-setting-up-active-directory-sites-subnets-amp-site-links.aspx

As James advised (if I understood him correctly), I did NOT apply any 
changes to DNS structure reflecting this new site.

4. I updated the first DNS server entry on some machines manually, and 
on many clients via a GPO calling a script as suggested here (as I am 
using static IP settings):
http://www.wincert.net/windows-server/set-dns-servers-via-gpo-server-2012-r2/
Seems to work well.

5. I had to update the A record for the moved DC in the other DC's DNS 
database in order to get AD replication back online, as the other DC 
wasn't able to find the 1st DC, of course.

6. I had to adjust the IP settings for the rsync-based sysvol 
replication workaround.

7. I had to restart some of the clients on which i tested network shares 
on the moved file server to make then forget obsolete DNS knowledge.

That's it, basically. Pretty straight forward. Of course, I had to 
temporarily recreate a small part of the old subnet on the new site to 
be able to use the RSAT tools (DNS, AD Sites and Services) on the 1st DC 
to perform some of the above steps.

Ole


On 24.06.2016 11:16, Rowland penny wrote:
> On 23/06/16 16:21, Ole Traupe wrote:
>> James, it took me a while, but now I am doing this. I created the new 
>> site with RSAT (want to move over my 1st DC), but this new site
isn't
>> showing in the DNS console. Do I have to create the new site there, 
>> as well?
>>
>> Ole
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25.04.2016 14:27, lingpanda101 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> On 4/22/2016 3:43 PM, Ole Traupe wrote:
>>>> Hi Mathias, lingpanda101, thank you for the quick reply!
Comments
>>>> inline.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22.04.2016 15:14, mathias dufresne wrote:
>>>>> Hi Ole,
>>>>>
>>>>> A - If I read correctly you have only one DC and you want
to move
>>>>> from one network to another.
>>>>>
>>>>> To achieve that change you will have to change all A/AAAA
records
>>>>> in your both AD zones (root zone and _msdcs zone).
>>>>> Once that is done you will have to change resolver
configuration
>>>>> on your clients for they can send DNS request to the new
IP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't see anything else. Nothing about AD site: AD
sites are
>>>>> linked to clients networks and clients networks do not
change,
>>>>> only DC network is changing.
>>>>>
>>>>> B - If I don't read correctly, you have several DC.
Move on DC to
>>>>> the new network, change A and AAAA records related to that
DC to
>>>>> reflect the network change.
>>>>> If you move one DC not used by clients as DNS server, no
change on
>>>>> client side.
>>>>
>>>> I have two DCs. The one with the FSMO roles is on the physical 
>>>> server to move. Unfortunately I don't have another host for
this VM
>>>> staying at the old place.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I will have a few clients at the new place soon, so I
think a
>>>> second site is the way to go? Sorry, I mentioned this only 
>>>> implicitly in "moving our lab". Is it possible to
just transfer an
>>>> existing DC to another site? By manually recreating all the
records?
>>>>
>>>> The moving DC will definitely be used as first DNS server, as
the
>>>> second DC is on very old, potentially unreliable hardware. But 
>>>> changing the DNS server config on the clients is no big deal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In response to the message from lingpanda101:
>>>>
>>>> I was not talking about transferring the FSMO roles. Sorry if I
had
>>>> been unclear about that.
>>>>
>>>> In theory, I will have access to both networks from both
places. In
>>>> practice, the firewall settings initially are very restrictive.
So
>>>> I try not to forget anything in preparation. I have thought
of...
>>>> - all the ports samba regularly uses (including DNS requests)
>>>> - rsync ports for sysvol replication
>>>> - ...
>>>>
>>>> I would be very happy about the steps to create a new site and
to
>>>> transfer DC and some client records to it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Probably I will see for the file server integration first,
while
>>>> using the 2nd DC as fallback for DNS and logon. Once that works
I
>>>> deal with bringing the 1st DC back into the game.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> C - You are lazy and you have enough physical computer to
play with.
>>>>
>>>> Yes and no. ;)
>>>>
>>>>> Just create a new DC on the new site, join it to the
domain.
>>>>> If then you want to remove old DC you will have to seize
(or
>>>>> transfer if it works) FSMO roles, change DNS configuration
on
>>>>> client side, but as that's a new DC you don't have
to modify
>>>>> A/AAAA records.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMPORTANT NOTE: with internal DNS you have only one SOA.
SOA is
>>>>> where DNS update goes. If you remove old SOA you must
change SOA
>>>>> record to assign it to a working DC. Without that no change
in
>>>>> your DNS zones will be possible for later use (DC moving
from site
>>>>> to site is the main point, auto-update pushed by DHCP or
clients
>>>>> won't work too).
>>>>
>>>> I followed the recent/ongoing discussion on that. With
"DNS
>>>> updates" you mean the clients automatically updating their
records,
>>>> right? Because I am pretty sure that with internal DNS I can
make
>>>> changes to DNS structure with RSAT on 2nd DC and it gets
replicated
>>>> to the 1st DC (SOA). Maybe the only issue with internal DNS is
that
>>>> the 2nd, 3rd etc. DC won't advertise themselves as SOA, and
so
>>>> automatic updates fail when the 1st DC is offline.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-04-22 13:44 GMT+02:00 Ole Traupe <ole.traupe at
tu-berlin.de
>>>>> <mailto:ole.traupe at tu-berlin.de>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi List,
>>>>>
>>>>>     I'll probably have to move my FSMO role owner to
another site.
>>>>>     Like at the end of next week (depends on tight
transportation
>>>>>     schedules). So there is no actual time for testing
anything, I am
>>>>>     afraid.
>>>>>
>>>>>     We are in the process of moving our lab, with our
offices staying
>>>>>     in the old building for now (different class C
subnets). The
>>>>>     physical machine is basically a file server (hosting
DC1 as a VM)
>>>>>     which is particularly needed at the new site. Plus:
Summer is
>>>>>     coming and the new site has cooling. Unfortunately, our
>>>>> university
>>>>>     techsup can't span a VLan to merge these two sites.
So I am
>>>>> trying
>>>>>     to figure out how to do it. In earlier discussions on
DC failover
>>>>>     strategies I was suggested to have my DCs on different
sites
>>>>> (with
>>>>>     different subnets), so I figure it being possible in
general.
>>>>>
>>>>>     The necessary steps likely include:
>>>>>     - modifying my current DNS config: create another site,
move DC1
>>>>>     over, also the file server (AD member)
>>>>>     - update all the clients' 1st DNS server entries to
reflect the
>>>>>     new IP of DC1 (and network share mappings)
>>>>>     - set some firewall rules allowing for logon and smb 
>>>>> communication
>>>>>     etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Samba is version 4.2.5 with internal DNS.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Any advice, instructions, heads-up, warnings are very
welcome!
>>>>>
>>>>>     Best regards,
>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     --     To unsubscribe from this list go to the
following URL
>>>>> and read the
>>>>>     instructions:
https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ole,
>>>
>>>     Will you be using Microsoft RSAT to create the sites? If so do 
>>> follow this guide
>>>
>>>
http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2015/03/04/step-by-step-setting-up-active-directory-sites-subnets-amp-site-links.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>> Will you be changing your IP of the domain controller? If so follow
>>> this guide.
>>>
>>>
https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Change_IP_address_of_an_Samba_AD_DC
>>>
>>> If using DHCP. Give your clients the DNS IP of your new site DC. 
>>> That should be it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> Hi Ole, I don't know of any Samba howto, but there is a microsoft one:
>
> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794722%28v=ws.10%29.aspx
>
> Rowland
>
>