Rubyinstaller devel - Jan 2009 - Installer for ruby1.8.7 - any chance?

Hello.

Any chance that there will be available Ruby OneClickInstaller for
1.8.7? I would be happy with that.

-- 
Rados?aw Bu?at

2009/1/14 Rados?aw Bu?at <radek.bulat at
gmail.com>:
> Hello.
Hello there!
> Any chance that there will be available Ruby OneClickInstaller for
> 1.8.7? I would be happy with that.
Don''t want to disappoint you but no.

Please let me explain the point.

Current One-Click Ruby Installer (OCI) is bundle of several parts to
make Ruby work out of the box in Windows.

Those parts (or components) are around 35 ranging from C extensions
that need to be compiled to bundled Gems.

All these moving parts needs to be manually tested, which on every
release take me around 10 hours of work. Even after, new things show
up.

Some of these components hasn''t been updated since 1.8.4 or even
before, yet still are keep for compatibility between previous
releases.

1.8.7 bring several modifications from 1.9 branch, which are not
compatible with the code of gems, libraries and even C extensions.

This has produced difficult times to developers of projects like
wxRuby, RMagick and others, since lot of users started to complain of
such incompatibilities when using their libraries.

I personally had really bad experience using it for my projects and
reverted back to the safe 1.8.6

As you can imagine, these points are just the tip of the iceberg in
relation to 1.8.7

Now, what will happen, you may ask?

I''ve been working, in help with other developers in move OCI from
Visual C compiler to MinGW. There are plenty of good reasons for the
move which I''ve commented several times in my blog[1] and mailing
lists around the tubes.

Our main target versions of Ruby are 1.8.6 and 1.9.1, since most of
the gems developers are updating their gems to take advantage of 1.9
functions at the time they add guards around "1.8.x" code.

Even gem developers ignore 1.8.7 for the above mentioned incompatibilities.

As a closing, contrary to official Ruby site considering 1.8.7 latest
stable, the development community differs.

I hope this shed some light in the 1.8.7 One-Click Ruby Installer topic.

If you have any particular reasons for 1.8.7 that I''m ignoring, please
share with us and let''s workout a way that we can help you out.

Regards,

[1] http://blog.mmediasys.com
-- 
Luis Lavena
AREA 17
-
Perfection in design is achieved not when there is nothing more to add,
but rather when there is nothing more to take away.
Antoine de Saint-Exup?ry

2009/1/15 Luis Lavena <luislavena at gmail.com>:
> 2009/1/14 Rados?aw Bu?at <radek.bulat at gmail.com>:
>> Hello.
>
> Hello there!
>
>> Any chance that there will be available Ruby OneClickInstaller for
>> 1.8.7? I would be happy with that.
>
> Don''t want to disappoint you but no.
>
> Please let me explain the point.
>
> Current One-Click Ruby Installer (OCI) is bundle of several parts to
> make Ruby work out of the box in Windows.
>
> Those parts (or components) are around 35 ranging from C extensions
> that need to be compiled to bundled Gems.
>
> All these moving parts needs to be manually tested, which on every
> release take me around 10 hours of work. Even after, new things show
> up.
>
> Some of these components hasn''t been updated since 1.8.4 or even
> before, yet still are keep for compatibility between previous
> releases.
>
> 1.8.7 bring several modifications from 1.9 branch, which are not
> compatible with the code of gems, libraries and even C extensions.
>
> This has produced difficult times to developers of projects like
> wxRuby, RMagick and others, since lot of users started to complain of
> such incompatibilities when using their libraries.
>
> I personally had really bad experience using it for my projects and
> reverted back to the safe 1.8.6
>
> As you can imagine, these points are just the tip of the iceberg in
> relation to 1.8.7
>
> Now, what will happen, you may ask?
>
> I''ve been working, in help with other developers in move OCI from
> Visual C compiler to MinGW. There are plenty of good reasons for the
> move which I''ve commented several times in my blog[1] and mailing
> lists around the tubes.
>
> Our main target versions of Ruby are 1.8.6 and 1.9.1, since most of
> the gems developers are updating their gems to take advantage of 1.9
> functions at the time they add guards around "1.8.x" code.
>
> Even gem developers ignore 1.8.7 for the above mentioned incompatibilities.
>
> As a closing, contrary to official Ruby site considering 1.8.7 latest
> stable, the development community differs.
>
> I hope this shed some light in the 1.8.7 One-Click Ruby Installer topic.
>
> If you have any particular reasons for 1.8.7 that I''m ignoring,
please
> share with us and let''s workout a way that we can help you out.
>
> Regards,
>
> [1] http://blog.mmediasys.com
> --
> Luis Lavena
> AREA 17
> -
> Perfection in design is achieved not when there is nothing more to add,
> but rather when there is nothing more to take away.
> Antoine de Saint-Exup?ry
>
Thank you for very deep explanation. I know the difference between
1.8.6 and 1.8.7 but I didn''t know how difficult it is to maintain OCI.
How long you think it will take to make OCI for ruby1.9.1 (of course
when it will be released)?


-- 
Rados?aw Bu?at

2009/1/15 Rados?aw Bu?at <radek.bulat at
gmail.com>:
> 2009/1/15 Luis Lavena <luislavena at gmail.com>:
>> 2009/1/14 Rados?aw Bu?at <radek.bulat at gmail.com>:
>>> Hello.
>>
>> Hello there!
>>
>>> Any chance that there will be available Ruby OneClickInstaller for
>>> 1.8.7? I would be happy with that.
>>
>> Don''t want to disappoint you but no.
>>
>> Please let me explain the point.
>>
>> Current One-Click Ruby Installer (OCI) is bundle of several parts to
>> make Ruby work out of the box in Windows.
>>
>> Those parts (or components) are around 35 ranging from C extensions
>> that need to be compiled to bundled Gems.
>>
>> All these moving parts needs to be manually tested, which on every
>> release take me around 10 hours of work. Even after, new things show
>> up.
>>
>> Some of these components hasn''t been updated since 1.8.4 or
even
>> before, yet still are keep for compatibility between previous
>> releases.
>>
>> 1.8.7 bring several modifications from 1.9 branch, which are not
>> compatible with the code of gems, libraries and even C extensions.
>>
>> This has produced difficult times to developers of projects like
>> wxRuby, RMagick and others, since lot of users started to complain of
>> such incompatibilities when using their libraries.
>>
>> I personally had really bad experience using it for my projects and
>> reverted back to the safe 1.8.6
>>
>> As you can imagine, these points are just the tip of the iceberg in
>> relation to 1.8.7
>>
>> Now, what will happen, you may ask?
>>
>> I''ve been working, in help with other developers in move OCI
from
>> Visual C compiler to MinGW. There are plenty of good reasons for the
>> move which I''ve commented several times in my blog[1] and
mailing
>> lists around the tubes.
>>
>> Our main target versions of Ruby are 1.8.6 and 1.9.1, since most of
>> the gems developers are updating their gems to take advantage of 1.9
>> functions at the time they add guards around "1.8.x" code.
>>
>> Even gem developers ignore 1.8.7 for the above mentioned
incompatibilities.
>>
>> As a closing, contrary to official Ruby site considering 1.8.7 latest
>> stable, the development community differs.
>>
>> I hope this shed some light in the 1.8.7 One-Click Ruby Installer
topic.
>>
>> If you have any particular reasons for 1.8.7 that I''m
ignoring, please
>> share with us and let''s workout a way that we can help you
out.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> [1] http://blog.mmediasys.com
>> --
>> Luis Lavena
>> AREA 17
>> -
>> Perfection in design is achieved not when there is nothing more to add,
>> but rather when there is nothing more to take away.
>> Antoine de Saint-Exup?ry
>>
>
> Thank you for very deep explanation. I know the difference between
> 1.8.6 and 1.8.7 but I didn''t know how difficult it is to maintain
OCI.
> How long you think it will take to make OCI for ruby1.9.1 (of course
> when it will be released)?
The new One-Click Ruby Installer for both 1.8.6 and 1.9.1 is aiming
end of January/mid February for the official installers.

I''m working on getting all the involved packages compile properly with
MinGW.

The Roadmap is described here:

http://rubyinstaller.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Roadmap

Ruby+RubyGems will be the first package

The Development Kit will follow as a installable gem (commented
previously in the mailing list)

1.9.1 bundles both RubyGems and Rake, so no need for caring about
adding that to it.

Regards,
-- 
Luis Lavena
AREA 17
-
Perfection in design is achieved not when there is nothing more to add,
but rather when there is nothing more to take away.
Antoine de Saint-Exup?ry